Disrespectful to instructor....

fiveofpeep · Apr 28, 2007

I can actually stand for the other side of the fence. I am a younger student and would not say I have been disrespectful to my teacher but I have been very frustrated and disappointed with the department's hiring.

They hired a brand new teacher who didnt even major in anatomy and just threw her in. I feel like I am taking an online class because everything we do is from the book. She tries very hard; however, so I have laid off a bit but I can see where people are coming from when you pay to take a class and your teacher is lecturing incorrect information.

I have always tolerated her and I think she is a wonderful person and I respect her for her efforts but I feel that I did not receive the quality education I have deserved.

In retrospect I have realized that I put the majority of the blame upon her but I have always handled the situations in a respectful manner. Now I have learned more from this lesson that its really no ones fault.

Everyone has to start some time hehe.

kasia2 · Apr 28, 2007

My "psycho" Chemistry professor...students are not at all respectful to him...but then again...when we students have been told very openly, that we are stupid, lazy, that we are "victims" of a horrible American Education system run by greed, we threw out any respect we had for him a long time ago.

But dont you think that he was maybe a little right about that?? No offense but tell me what have you learned in high school except read and write and do basic math...Why are we exposed for the very first time to subjects like Geography and history in college, the essentials of history, geography, etc should be introduced to us in high school, then we have ignorant nation that have hard time doing calculation without calculator or we dont know nothing about worldy conflict , why do we have to learn American History instead of World history, why foreign exchange student when they take entrance exam test when they apply to college score at the level of Calculus while we people who live here end up on basic math level?

MySimplePlan · Apr 28, 2007

my "psycho" chemistry professor...students are not at all respectful to him...but then again...when we students have been told very openly, that we are stupid, lazy, that we are "victims" of a horrible american education system run by greed, we threw out any respect we had for him a long time ago.
but dont you think that he was maybe a little right about that?? no offense but tell me what have you learned in high school except read and write and do basic math...why are we exposed for the very first time to subjects like geography and history in college, the essentials of history, geography, etc should be introduced to us in high school, then we have ignorant nation that have hard time doing calculation without calculator or we dont know nothing about worldy conflict , why do we have to learn american history instead of world history, why foreign exchange student when they take entrance exam test when they apply to college score at the level of calculus while we people who live here end up on basic math level?

your generalizations are breathtaking and border on insulting. in fact, i am insulted. are you from another country?

you assume no high school student takes world history, calculus, or advanced science. many do. in fact, many students get through college easily, using the skills and concepts they learned while in high school to get them through college, grad school, and beyond. students from other countries do well here, but americans are holding their own, thank you very much.

an no instructor has the right to insult his students the way that chem teacher did. he should be bounced out on his bottom. for you to think he was 'a little bit right about that' is darn offensive. :angryfire:

pjgarrett1388 · Apr 28, 2007

But dont you think that he was maybe a little right about that?? No offense but tell me what have you learned in high school except read and write and do basic math...Why are we exposed for the very first time to subjects like Geography and history in college, the essentials of history, geography, etc should be introduced to us in high school, then we have ignorant nation that have hard time doing calculation without calculator or we dont know nothing about worldy conflict , why do we have to learn American History instead of World history, why foreign exchange student when they take entrance exam test when they apply to college score at the level of Calculus while we people who live here end up on basic math level?

I find your post very offensive. I graduated high school a year ago and have been very prepared for my college classes. Please don't make generalizations about the education system in America. I took classes in a variety of different histories as well as many sciences. I had to take a World History class as well as an American History class while in high school. I also placed at the college level in my math scores. I was also able to obtain my CNA certification through my high school and I will begin my college's Nursing Program in the Fall. Don't make generalizations when there are high schools that prepare their students for a college level education.

Cymy · Apr 28, 2007

But dont you think that he was maybe a little right about that?? No offense but tell me what have you learned in high school except read and write and do basic math...Why are we exposed for the very first time to subjects like Geography and history in college, the essentials of history, geography, etc should be introduced to us in high school, then we have ignorant nation that have hard time doing calculation without calculator or we dont know nothing about worldy conflict , why do we have to learn American History instead of World history, why foreign exchange student when they take entrance exam test when they apply to college score at the level of Calculus while we people who live here end up on basic math level?

Assuming YOU are NOT from another country, I can very well understand that you may feel cheated out of a proper education in the United States. Your lack of proper grammar and complete misunderstanding of the system is simply amazing.

I went to high school 17 years ago and have four teenagers in high school now at various levels--two of them are adopted from Russia, one is a special needs foster child and one is his high-achieving brother. There are certain minimum courses which must be taken and passed in order to graduate high school, whether you are special needs, English as a Second Language, or a "brainiac."

At every high school I have been exposed to in the last 20 years students must complete, at a minimum, 4 years of English, 2 years of math (often 3, requiring at least algebra), 2 years of science, 1 year of US history, and 1 year of world history, among other required courses which include physical education and health education. In order to get into a decent 4 year university students must in fact take 4+ years of English (more than 4 by doubling up English courses), 3-4 years of math, 3+ years of social science/history, 3+ years of science, and 3+ years of a foreign language.

I don't know of any high schools, even the lowest-scoring high schools that are deemed "failing," in which a student who WANTS to get an education would be unable to do so.

MB37 · Apr 28, 2007

I graduated from an inner city public high school 10 years ago. I received an international baccalaureate diploma and took several AP courses. My first semester in college I took Calculus 3, among other things, and received an A, rarely attending the lecture. I got a full scholarship to a top 50 university, started with enough credits to be a sophomore, and graduated with honors. Go US public schools!

SuesquatchRN, BSN, RN · Apr 29, 2007

Kasia has made it very clear that she is from another country. And our secondary schools are sadly lacking. My Eastern European immigrant friends all had their children tutored in mathematics - starting in grammar school - because they believed, rightly, that we don't teach enough of it.

Of course not all students plod through with general math. But, as kasia said, it's one in 10 - or fewer - who takes calculus.

She also was trying, with English as a second language, to express her views of American education, and she said that she did not want or intend to offend.

Please respond with the manners some of say we lack and cut her a break.

:)

Cherish · Apr 29, 2007

Well everyone knows that American education does need improvement. It is behind such countries as the UK, Finland, Austria, Australia, Hungary, Asian Countries (Japan, South Korea, Singapore), etc. It's not even ranked about 15.

I am Canadian but came to the U.S. when I was in the 8th grade. When I came here I was kind of shocked I was already doing trigonometry/geography when they were just starting algebra I. They put me in the gifted classes when in my school in Toronto I was in the regular classes.

I stayed in gifted/honors classes throughout high school. So personally I do feel the American education standards could be improved. I am not being hateful just commenting that there is indeed room for improvement. Sorry if I offended anyone.

http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=1785

http://www.uwire.com/content/topnews093005001.html

kasia2 · Apr 29, 2007

To the people who say my grammar is bad, I only wish you could speak my language the way I speak yours it would be a true miricle, also I only made one grammar mistake in my last post, and few run-on sentence, this is the internet its not school paper, I dont have to play 'genius' to all of you's to make myself better, Im arleady confident, so spare me this criticism cause you not hurting me by it,actually it makes me laugh and proves my theory that people with low self esteem try to make themselves feel better by picking on someone's else mistake, all I wrote that American school system needs improvement but all the Americans ( by the way the real Americans are Indians I hope you know that?) jumped on me like Im a criminal, yes I commited a crime of free speech and opinion, do you also believe that Bush is great super-hero and that US went to Iraq to find " Osama' ( oh I know he is dead..) For once SOME American people think outside the box, and dont make Nursing a prestige proffesion, because its not, dont ever compare it to being a doctor or lawyer, in a lot of countries nursing is considered a simple degree.. so I dont know why you make it sound its a doctoral degree, this make me laugh, but the most funny part of it is that someone I think MW37 mentioned ;

I graduated from an inner city public high school 10 years ago. I received an international baccalaureate diploma and took several AP courses. My first semester in college I took Calculus 3, among other things, and received an A, rarely attending the lecture. I got a full scholarship to a top 50 university, started with enough credits to be a sophomore, and graduated with honors. Go US public schools!

With such intelligence you should go to the medical school....I would say I mean if you got all this scholarships why didnt you think of become engineer, somehow I dont believe your story, because all my friends who who got their schoolarships they are Engineers, or doctors, you are totally contradict your self, and you lost yourself with your anger toward my post,

One more thing a lot of you people go to nursing school for money, you dont follow your passion, you are very materialistic, think about that too..you dont take criticism well and you lack of passion, remember think outside the box, now to all MORE OPEN PEOPLE I HOPE you will understand where I come from, dont think i wrote this post to offend... I hope you will interpret my message ' correctly, greeting to those less open minded and those who are not afraid to go against the WHOLE, dont get me wrong America is my second home, I spend have of my life over here so this message is not intended for the purpose of criticising this country, but only some will comprehend this...

I graduated from an inner city public high school 10 years ago. I received an international baccalaureate diploma and took several AP courses. My first semester in college I took Calculus 3, among other things, and received an A, rarely attending the lecture. I got a full scholarship to a top 50 university, started with enough credits to be a sophomore, and graduated with honors. Go US public schools!

This is the funniest thing I read on this forum? With such intelligence you should go to the medical school....

justme1972 · Apr 29, 2007

But dont you think that he was maybe a little right about that?? No offense but tell me what have you learned in high school except read and write and do basic math...Why are we exposed for the very first time to subjects like Geography and history in college, the essentials of history, geography, etc should be introduced to us in high school, then we have ignorant nation that have hard time doing calculation without calculator or we dont know nothing about worldy conflict , why do we have to learn American History instead of World history, why foreign exchange student when they take entrance exam test when they apply to college score at the level of Calculus while we people who live here end up on basic math level?

In a word? Uh, No. He's not right. In fact, my psycho-Chemistry professor really needs to retire.

You can't work for Pepsi and be very open to your co-workers at Coca-Cola that you think Pepsi is better. You can't work at UPS, and tell everyone how things are much better over at Federal Express and how UPS sucks...AND STILL KEEP YOUR JOB.

If my foreign-born college professor thinks so poorly of the American Educational system...then why does he work in it? An even better question...why did BOTH of his sons come to the USA to get their graduate degrees instead of in Europe where he said the schools were far superior?

I'm not prejudice...I'm a first-generation American in my family...that means neither one of my parents were born in the USA.

Geography and History have been taught in class, every year, since I was in PRIMARY school. I grew up in one of the poorest public school districts in the NATION. So trust me, if we had the budget to teach it, so did every other school in America. I know they taught it at your school as well because it is REQUIRED in every state. The state Board of Education, not the school, sets the curriculum of what should be taught.

We also were not allowed to use calculators until we were in Algebra II, when the calculations got to be too difficult to do by hand. If you used a calculator on a test or homework prior to Algebra II, they considered that cheating.

Knowing Calculus on a college-entrance exam has less to do with the math itself, and more about how your MIND works. SAT's and ACT's are not about how much you know, but how you can apply it, and it's goal is to predict success in college. If you do poorly on the SAT and ACT, statistically, you won't do well in college either. So the test has done it's job.

I am so very thankful that I grew up in a school system where I was given the opportunity to learn in a nurturing and caring environment instead of through threats and intimidation, that is extremely rampant in certain cultures, right down to the 5 year olds, and it is a very, very sad thing.

What is so great about America, is folks can come over here from their homeland and voice opinions that they wouldn't be allowed to back home...even bash the country that they have adopted, and we fully support your right to do it. That is what is beautiful about America.

Another great thing about America, is that every American, who doesn't like this country, is also given another right....

...the right to leave.

mistydave · Apr 29, 2007

way worse, i am in my 3rd day of nursing school and people are rude. I can't wait til the professor cracks down and disciplines some of these people. I am actually looking forward to it because they are distracting. I actually had to put my hand up and ignore a girl why trying to look at my instructor, and then she kept saying....excusme, excusme....she still tried to get my attention. I figure I am paying for this education and I don't care if she gets it or not, she will need to go to the teacher or talk to me after class. I think the one to look out for you is you. She can't just disrupt my learning. I will not sit beside certain people in class and I am learning that very quickly which ones those are.

pjgarrett1388 · Apr 29, 2007

Kaisa2, I understand now that you were saying the American Education System needs work and I agree with you, but it was the way some things were worded in your first post that I didn't like.