I totally understand a patient/patient family wanting to protect themselves and/or their family from incompetence.
Im pretty sure our hospital has a policy against this. However, people are sneaky, it's important to build a rapport, and accusing people of filming you after they have denied it could lead to more problems for everyone.
Just wandering what everyone else thinks about this.
Have you ever seen a nurse show up on a video in social media kind like how we see these videos of teachers?
The entity violating privacy is the facility which is forcing the patient to share a room. If the roommate can hear and see what is going on the right to privacy was already and continuously violated, the camera has no bearing on that privacy violation.
I was mainly speaking of the people on the other side of the camera like family. If they are viewing and listening to what is going on in the room. Could be an overstrectch but doesn't hurt to wonder about it.
I see the parallel here but the problem is the thought that nursing is a common job. There is a reason why we have to be licensed. If you are a licensed professional who is serving the public, especially in a extraordinary capacity dealing with vulnerable populations, I think that population has every right to film you.
Its not a random person filming you. It is the person who you are serving, the person vulnerable to you.
I must've missed the class where we were taught that being a licensed professional was synonymous with being a celebrity and that we should expect paparazzi.
The fact that we deal with vulnerable populations makes recordings even more of a problem. Would you be okay with a rape victim being recorded by some random family member as she's talking with her counselor?
How about an intubated patient after a severe trauma who has no say in if their picture or a video of them ends up on social media or in the news?
Inside the walls of a hospital, there is an expectation of privacy from all parties involved. This isn't a movie set. In my opinion, there should be no recording. Period.
If I was to be filmed I wouldn't acknowledge it. This should not hold water in court. The problem is, are you doing anything that would be considered bad? Why care if someone is filming? The issue is in todays climate individuals try to get a rise out of you by holding up their phones. They get a pay out if you get frantic. Just go about your business and say nothing. Or you could ask them to politely step outside if they need to use the phone so that you can continue on with whatever procedure you are doing.
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vintagegal said:
The problem is, are you doing anything that would be considered bad?
The problem is I don't get paid nearly enough to end up on some rando family members phone which they can digitally manipulate to anything they like. I
As for frantic, it doesnt exist, either the patient/family member stops filming when asked, or treatment stops until they do.
People are welcome to observe what I am doing any time (with the patients permission). They are not allowed to film me without my permission. I work with students, they see alot and they are not allowed to film either
I think its sad that someone enforcing their boundaries is seen by some as having something to hide. Like I said, I'm an open book, people can read, they just don't get to make videos of it.
The problem is I don't get paid nearly enough to end up on some rando family members phone which they can digitally manipulate to anything they like. I
As for frantic, it doesnt exist, either the patient/family member stops filming when asked, or treatment stops until they do.
People are welcome to observe what I am doing any time (with the patients permission). They are not allowed to film me without my permission. I work with students, they see alot and they are not allowed to film either
I think its sad that someone enforcing their boundaries is seen by some as having something to hide. Like I said, I'm an open book, people can read, they just don't get to make videos of it.
Please don't misconstrue what I was saying or assume I was coming against you in any way. I suppose it is so easy to offend these days. I was simply stating a rhetorical question. You know you're not doing anything, so why would it bother you to be filmed? Obviously this is a form of intimidation, don't fall into the trap.
I have only been filmed once (at least that I am aware of). I was discharging a patient home with a Foley catheter. As I was beginning to review the discharge instructions and catheter care/management, the patient and their spouse asked if they could film my education so that they could refer to it if they had any questions. I gave them permission to do so. Under those circumstances, I had no problem with it. Without permission is another story.
You know you're not doing anything, so why would it bother you to be filmed? Obviously this is a form of intimidation, don't fall into the trap.
You're answering your own question.
One of the reasons it is bothersome is because it is adversarial behavior.
It's easy to see that and to acknowledge it, then you can still avoid engaging/taking the bait.
I agree with the advice to just ignore/keep one's cool because I hate to give people the satisfaction of riling me, but keep in mind that even if you choose not to fall into the trap of making a big scene there are other major problems with this, such as the fact that there is no control over how the video will be used including no control over any editing that may take place or any deception about the portrayal of context.
I would say overall that very few people are actually cool with being recorded (or even being scrutinized without being recorded) for the near-singular purpose of looking for something to try to skewer them with.
Not that hard to figure out why that behavior is bothersome.
One of the best things about not working in a hospital/for a large corporation any more is being in a space where if people don't like the rules of engagement they can pick a provider somewhere else to bother with their nonsense. And I will still not be riled.
I have to disagree with those who believe the behavior (filming) necessarily has hostile elements. Of course, peoples' intentions vary, but as some posters here have mentioned, some people choose to film/record procedures for educational purposes which can be helpful when the patient is discharged and they, the family members are now providing care for the patient at home. Some posters who have indicated confidence in their abilities have stated that they don't have a problem with being filmed when they are performing a procedure.
I think it's important for everyone's sake that laws and facility policies in regard to filming are clearly stated so that patients/family members know what is expected of them. I think it's courteous and reasonable to ask permission to film, and that health care workers should have the right of refusal.
I don't think we need to ascribe negative intentions to all patients/family members when patients or family members ask if they can film. I think communication is important; understanding the reason the patient/family member wishes to do this is important.
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I was mainly speaking of the people on the other side of the camera like family. If they are viewing and listening to what is going on in the room. Could be an overstrectch but doesn't hurt to wonder about it.