..(2) more classmates from my DEC 07 class just passed thier boards. (leaving only 5 more left) I, myself passed last month on my 3rd time. Many of my 65 gradauting classmates had to re-test to pass.
I just wanted to say to those that have yet to take it or have to take it again.
That no matter what ATI, or your school, or the BRN website says..
If you dont GIVE up on this dumb test, EVERYONE passes, !! and in yers to come no one really remembers that you took it X amount of times,
failing this test does NOT define you as a person OR a nurse, it does not prove "competence" in any way..just becasue i know for a test which pt i should see "first" or that i selected 'all that apply' to a M.I. pt
no way indicates, i will know what to ACTUALLY DO ! when the time comes up for me to apply my "book" knowledge.
i know i have a "against the grain" view of the "system"
and beleive me, MANY in here share my views, they dont post it because of what i go through in here..i get many PM's and emails, saying that they are fraid of you guys, i dont know why..this is a online forum ??
SUZZANE
yes, i DO consider being called an "angry child" insulting and as a personal attack..just like when people in here told me i needed "therapy"--
where are you guys (admins) to tell these people to stay in line ? i often hve unpopular opinions but i am still a MEMBER that shows respect and never insults anyone. I would like to have the same respect in here.
again i pose the question that no one has seemed to answer. ill try again.
ill break it down,
1. The NCLEX is designed to prove competency in nurses
2. If you pass the NCLEX, you are considered "competent"
3. IF 100 veteran RN's took the current NCLEX today, LOGIC dictates that would ALL pass 100%----because they have already "proved" they have "critical thinking" skills and are competent because they all passed the NCLEX--right ?
i bet my liscense and my left kidney that not all 100 RN's would pass,
proving my point EXACTLY, a person/nurse does not "lose" competence or "critical thinking" skills,
in fact they would gain more. ? right ? reason and logic dictate that.
if someone could answer this dilema, i will forever stand corrected on this.
Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
and beleive me, MANY in here share my views, they dont post it because of what i go through in here..i get many PM's and emails, saying that they are fraid of you guys, i dont know why..this is a online forum ??
1. The NCLEX is designed to prove competency in nurses
2. If you pass the NCLEX, you are considered "competent"
3. IF 100 veteran RN's took the current NCLEX today, LOGIC dictates that would ALL pass 100%----because they have already "proved" they have "critical thinking" skills and are competent because they all passed the NCLEX--right ?
i bet my liscense and my left kidney that not all 100 RN's would pass,
proving my point EXACTLY, a person/nurse does not "lose" competence or "critical thinking" skills,
in fact they would gain more. ? right ? reason and logic dictate that.
if someone could answer this dilema, i will forever stand corrected on this.
JON
I am surprised people are afraid to post. We try to be very support especially with the exam but at the same time we also have to ensure that terms of service is followed i.e copyright.
It is easier for someone to come out of nursing school in the US and sit the NCLEX than it is for an experienced nurse. This I felt was one of the reasons I had problems passing apart from being a foreign trained nurse with no understanding on how the NCLEX works unlike the US trained who in most cases I believe do NCLEX type questions throughout their training but also the fact I am experienced and look at my experiences not what it says in the book. As mentioned in my other post cases will not follow the book in real life but standards have to be set and that is where the NCLEX comes in.
First off, I don't believe half of what you're saying...not about your school admission, your past education accomplishments, or your great critical thinking skills. I know, I know...you don't care what I believe. That doesn't change a thing...I still think it smells way too fishy.
1. I would find it hard to believe that out of 400+ students applying to a school that admits by GPA, that a 3.4 would be within the top 80.
2. So, you've mastered critical thinking within 6 mths of being a nurse?? If you think so, you're one of the dangerous ones.
3. For all of your lifes experiences, you would think you would have matured a bit and at least have a decent argument if you are going to argue about something.
4. A good nurse never assumes.
5. The NCLEX answer would never be give the guy in traffic a sandwich. So, this would be one that you miss.
6. Critical thinking (per your definition) is SO much more than consulting your co-workers and brainstorming. Critical thinking consists of analysis, evalutation, cause and effect, thinking ahead of the game, knowing the outcome of your interventions, and knowing the outcome without your interventions. A good critical thinker gathers information from all senses, reflection, observation, experience and reasoning. Not just from talking with other nurses.
7. Yeah right, people are scared to post? Don't believe that one for a second. If they were, I doubt they would admit it. Surely, you could think of something better than that to say!
8. Your lack of professionalism is a disgrace to our profession. You seem to hold a lot of anger inside about something as trivial as the NCLEX. No the test isn't trivial, but it is a very trivial thing (not to mention unhealthy) to be so angry about it. For some reason, I doubt you would be so angry had you passed it the first time.
9. Your punctuation, grammar, spelling, and sentence structuring could use a little help. Typically, I wouldn't point out something so minute, but as much as you value "real" world education, I figured I'd let you in on the secret that this is not really acceptable or highly regarded in the real world. Even if it is on a message board.
I meant to add to all of that I do extend my sincere congrats in your accomplishment with the NCLEX. It is something to be proud of, whether you took it once or ten times.
May you continue to grow, learn, contribute and touch many lives. I wish you a long and rewarding nursing career.
"I would find it hard to believe that out of 400+ students applying to a school that admits by GPA, that a 3.4 would be within the top 80"
--ah , sorry its true.
"2. So, you've mastered critical thinking within 6 mths of being a nurse?? If you think so, you're one of the dangerous ones.
--so your saying that ONLY nurses possess critical thinking skills AND that it takes time ??!!!
----people just cant have those skills ?? through wisdom or life experience ?? please.
"For all of your lifes experiences, you would think you would have matured a bit and at least have a decent argument if you are going to argue about something"
first off, this IS an online F O R U M that pertains to the N C L E X soo yeah a "debate" on the NCLEX on an online NCLEX fourm---reveals my level of maturity ? please, if thats all you got ??
and about having a decent arguement answer my question then ?? NO one has yet to do it ?? ill paste and copy it here for you
----1. The NCLEX is designed to prove competency in nurses
2. If you pass the NCLEX, you are considered "competent"
3. IF 100 veteran RN's took the current NCLEX today, LOGIC dictates that would ALL pass 100%----because they have already "proved" they have "critical thinking" skills and are competent because they all passed the NCLEX--right ?
i bet my liscense and my left kidney that not all 100 RN's would pass,
proving my point EXACTLY, a person/nurse does not "lose" competence or "critical thinking" skills,
in fact they would gain more. ? right ? reason and logic dictate that.
"The NCLEX answer would never be give the guy in traffic a sandwich. So, this would be one that you miss"
--you obviously missed the point of the SARCASTIC question i put up, like i said (you really need to read first) the question was EXAGGFERATED to prove that the NCLEX wants MASLOW (memba him ??) and MASLOW first level is physiolocial OVER SAFETY/
"Critical thinking consists of analysis, evalutation, cause and effect, thinking ahead of the game, knowing the outcome of your interventions, and knowing the outcome without your interventions. A good critical thinker gathers information from all senses, reflection, observation, experience and reasoning. Not just from talking with other nurses.
---again....PLEASE READ WHAT I POSTED., i also said to consult manuals, ETC.. i the E T C means--other things and YOU also proved my point, critical thinking is all what i said and you said, so it just cant be JUST answer A on a test. it constitutes so much more, Like you said. (after me)
"Yeah right, people are scared to post? Don't believe that one for a second. If they were, I doubt they would admit it. Surely, you could think of something better than that to say!"
Yup yup, true again, im not going to give you any names , but they do and the reason they dont is because of people like you....and the flamming my thread gets..
"Your lack of professionalism is a disgrace to our profession."
--what do you know about my proffessionlism ?? you dont know me. just because i have a strong opinion on something is in NO WAY indicative of how "proffessional" i am..Or the kimd of person or nurse that i am. so you can save your disgrace.
Your punctuation, grammar, spelling, and sentence structuring could use a little help. Typically, I wouldn't point out something so minute, but as much as you value "real" world education, I figured I'd let you in on the secret that this is not really acceptable or highly regarded in the real world.
--so because i type fast and have some grammer issues means that im "uneducated"
WOW..imagine if i was a foreign born ?? and english as a second language (which i am)..how big do you feel now ??
--and im the "disgrace" becuae i havnt mastered the english language as well as you, im "uneducated" because i didnt dot an i..wow..i cfan imagine the kind of attittude you show to your foreign, non-english, grammiticaly challenged patients.
Specializes in Cardiac Thoracic Surgery, Emergency Med.
"again i pose the question that no one has seemed to answer. ill try again.
ill break it down,
1. The NCLEX is designed to prove competency in nurses
2. If you pass the NCLEX, you are considered "competent"
3. IF 100 veteran RN's took the current NCLEX today, LOGIC dictates that would ALL pass 100%----because they have already "proved" they have "critical thinking" skills and are competent because they all passed the NCLEX--right ?
i bet my liscense and my left kidney that not all 100 RN's would pass,
proving my point EXACTLY, a person/nurse does not "lose" competence or "critical thinking" skills,
in fact they would gain more. ? right ? reason and logic dictate that.
if someone could answer this dilema, i will forever stand corrected on this.
JON
Well, Jon, thank goodness you have so much confidence in your abilities and critical thinking skills. From what I understand, you do not hold a job as a Registered Nurse yet, so you are not experienced yet. Critical thinking skills in nursing are "acquired" over time... hopefully, you are open to learning as you go. I, also, find that people with your attitude are dangerous in this field. I wish you well and hope you lose the anger.
Well, quite the contrary--i DO work as a registered nurse, I work the cardiac unit. Ive was there as an SNI and as a RNIP now as arn RN.
you see that my whole point , like you said.."critical thinking skills are aquired over time"-exactly waht you said
so with that said, take 100 "experinced" RN's
have them take the current NCLEX.
They should all pass ..right ? since they have the critical skills from #1 passing the nclex already and #2 like you said, they have "aquired it" over time.
--i say that not all 100 will pass, so what does that mean ?--that teh RN's somehow "lost" there critical thinking skills...obviously according to NCLEX, if they cant pass they dont have the skills ??
everyone seems to miss this point.
and why does everyone think im dangerous ? Ive been dealing with people for over 15 years, as a psych counselor, Police office, and now a nurse-never had one compliant, never injured anyone, never been sued, never been reprimanded, never been wrote up--
I got the highest score ever on my first eval as a nurse.
I have letters of appreciation from numerous families.
I have the respect of all my co-workers and manager.
--just because i truley hate the NCLEX and feel feel for the re-peat test taker does NOT reflect what i do at work or the qaulity of care I provide ?!--i cannot see how alot of you lump my hate for the NCLEX to bad or dangerous pt care ?? thats absurb ?!-
my personal beleifs and what i do at work are completely seperate,
Malenurserocks- As male nurse I can empathize with your struggle. School was difficult and quite frankly didn't prepare me as much as I would have liked for the NCLEX. I don't feel 100% really but I'm going for my first attempt at success Tues the 10th. I took Kaplan but continue to score in the 60s on the test. I'm just gonna go for the gusto! Any advice?
jon, you arent getting any takers, because they know what you say is true....took the nclex in 1985....passed the first time.....cant imagine i would pass now......new drugs alone would do me in.....that said, your hypothesis needs a little work, for the reason i mentioned......when a nurse has worked in one area, much of the knowledge of other areas falls by the wayside.....the reason nurses shouldnt float from one spec to another....
it would appear that you and i share the anger about being forced to lie.....to pass a test.....because that is what is required when you get those psych vs safety questions....also, when i was in school, we were told that a man who ran a TEST TAKING business had passed nclex, using his own testing taking knowledge, having NEVER set foot in a school of nursing.....and the apprenticeship style learning that you speak of, is somewhat like the diplomma school set up of old......good luck and take care
I would pass again if I took it today, in fact call me crazy but I actually enjoyed the process. What other field has licensing that cost 250.00 and can be done in 45 min and 75 questions.
For any nurse who too wants to prove they can pass again today, get a Saunders book and take a 60 question test, if you score more than 51% you pass.
You only have to get 31 questions correct on Nclex. 15 of the 75 do not count. So your minimum is really 60 questions more than half right and you pass.
I just re-read the above post from someone who said the pharm alone would kill them, I only had 2 pharm questions. Call me crazy, but I did not think Nclex was hard. In fact I have talked to many others that feel the same way. I think the anxiety is worse than the actual test and for some reason people love or find pleasure in getting other people worked up and anxious so you hear there horror stories of how hard the test was and how sick people felt leaving the testing site. yet fact is 85% pass on the 1st attempt so it can not be that hard can it???
Specializes in Cardiac Thoracic Surgery, Emergency Med.
I am a 37 year old Desert storm veteran of 1991, i have a BA in socilogy, spent 5 years as a Psych couynselor for both children and in an acute adult level 14 setting, I spent 5 years as a police officer (which i beleive takes the highest level of "critical thinking"
i have been to war, put my life on the line onthe streests everyday and now i am a nurse. I am husband and a father.
so , yes..i TRULEY beleive i have critical thinking skills.
JON (jack of many trades)
Being a parent takes the highest level of "critical thinking"... doesn't make you a good nurse. Just because you served in war, and was a police officer doesn't make you a good nurse. When I state that experience as a nurse will season you as a great critical thinker, I didn't mean
And, because you feel nobody will respond to your whole "I would bet my left kidney" statement... AGAIN, more than 80% pass the NCLEX on the first try... your statistics are merely opinions... strong opinions, but merely opinions. It is silly to think that you want people to respond to that statement. Second, with that statement, you are also insinuating that you probably would not pass it given the chance to take it again.
If I remember correctly, your posts show tremendous anger when you were waiting for your results. You were going to give up, not become a nurse... and I do believe you also said that you were going to go back to your job as a police officer because they would take you back in a heart beat. Everyone offered you help, especially Suzanne, which you didn't embrace very well. You need to get past this. It is sad. If you want to change the system, do it in a positive way. You will not change the system here on a message board. Write to the NCLEX, get involved and stop belly aching here - whining will not change the system... And using questions as ridiculous as your "homeless man" example is not using educated examples - it will not help the case you are presenting. Using exaggerated examples weakens your argument.
Show some maturity and learn from your experiences.
MaleNursesRock
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SILVERDRAGON--
much respect to you my fellow veteran.
i know i have a "against the grain" view of the "system"
and beleive me, MANY in here share my views, they dont post it because of what i go through in here..i get many PM's and emails, saying that they are fraid of you guys, i dont know why..this is a online forum ??
SUZZANE
yes, i DO consider being called an "angry child" insulting and as a personal attack..just like when people in here told me i needed "therapy"--
where are you guys (admins) to tell these people to stay in line ? i often hve unpopular opinions but i am still a MEMBER that shows respect and never insults anyone. I would like to have the same respect in here.
again i pose the question that no one has seemed to answer. ill try again.
ill break it down,
1. The NCLEX is designed to prove competency in nurses
2. If you pass the NCLEX, you are considered "competent"
3. IF 100 veteran RN's took the current NCLEX today, LOGIC dictates that would ALL pass 100%----because they have already "proved" they have "critical thinking" skills and are competent because they all passed the NCLEX--right ?
i bet my liscense and my left kidney that not all 100 RN's would pass,
proving my point EXACTLY, a person/nurse does not "lose" competence or "critical thinking" skills,
in fact they would gain more. ? right ? reason and logic dictate that.
if someone could answer this dilema, i will forever stand corrected on this.
JON