Options after failing CRNE 3 times

[PPAA]

I just wrote the crne for the 3rd time this Oct and I was just wondering what options do i have with my BScN if I'm not successful in passing the exam the 3rd time? What else can I do? I know I can write the NCLEX in the states, and that I can take the CPNRE exam in Canada. Any other options? Also, I've heard that some people had a 4th attempt at the exam. What kind of reason would i need in order to get a 4th attempt? Please let me know, any information would be helpful.

[Ginger's Mom, MSN, RN]

I am an American, and I admire the Canadian System which doesn't allow unprepared nurses endless tries to pass a basic exam.

I know there are many reasons. First reason not enough basic knowledge, which I would suspect most who fail the first time would gain the knowledge and pass the second time. Second if the person was ill or had a family issue that day they would be able to pass.

The third reason is people did not learn nursing basics the first time around. Even though they try to study, they don't have the foundation to build basic knowledge. To me these are one the scariest nurses since nursing one needs to be a life long learner. If they can't assimilate basic knowledge how are they going to be safe nurses ?

The fourth reason is test anxiety. I also find this troubling, I understand anxiety, but after 2 failed attempts and not seeking professional help to deal with anxiety, it makes me wonder why this candidate didn't address this earlierl

As far as the support in this area, it is obvious to me to practice nursing in Canada, it is assumed you pass the first or second try. That is their nursing culture. Nurses who post here are getting support, what they are not getting is that it is ok to have limited times to take the test like the nurses get on the NCLEX forum. It some ways I think it is cruel on that forum to keep encourage people to retest when they are having issues.

[agiboma, BSN, MSN, NP]

As far as the support in this area, it is obvious to me to practice nursing in Canada, it is assumed you pass the first or second try. That is their nursing culture. Nurses who post here are getting support, what they are not getting is that it is ok to have limited times to take the test like the nurses get on the NCLEX forum. It some ways I think it is cruel on that forum to keep encourage people to retest when they are having issues.

I think thats where we differ is NOT unfair to encourage people to retry. People should retry as much as their nursing board permits IMO.

[OgopogoLPN, LPN, RN]

I think thats where we differ is NOT unfair to encourage people to retry. People should retry as much as their nursing board permits IMO.

Yes, but that is the heart of the issue on these threads. Posters are asking what to do after failing the CRNE or the CPNRE the alloted 3 times. No one here is discouraging someone from trying all 3 times. It's when they aren't successful after that and still hoping for more chances that they are being told that perhaps it's not the right path for them.

[agiboma, BSN, MSN, NP]

Yes, but that is the heart of the issue on these threads. Posters are asking what to do after failing the CRNE or the CPNRE the alloted 3 times. No one here is discouraging someone from trying all 3 times. It's when they aren't successful after that and still hoping for more chances that they are being told that perhaps it's not the right path for them.

Like i said its that "discouragment that i dislike the most on the Canadian side" who are you to tell people to give up on their dreams. In the Nclex side people are routing each other on to eventually pass nclex thats where the difference is. Personally if someone fails CRNE 3X i would not tell them to give up on nursing period. My first recommendation would be to try Nclex in the states, their are many states that border Canada and its possible to work in the USA and still live in Canada.

[OgopogoLPN, LPN, RN]

Like i said its that "discouragment that i dislike the most on the Canadian side" who are you to tell people to give up on their dreams. In the Nclex side people are routing each other on to eventually pass nclex thats where the difference is. Personally if someone fails CRNE 3X i would not tell them to give up on nursing period. My first recommendation would be to try Nclex in the states, their are many states that border Canada and its possible to work in the USA and still live in Canada.

I don't know if it's the same in the states, but to be eligable to take the CRNE as an American RN, one must have already passed the NCLEX. So I imagine it might be the same in the states. To be eligable to take the NCLEX, one may have to have passed the CRNE. Besides, there would be all sorts of other hoops to jump through to work in the states. The job market there is crap, way worse than in Canada and I'm sure that they would hire American nurses over green card Canadian nurses any day. Just as I would hope that Canadian employers would hire Canadian nurses over landed immigrant nurses from any country.

[agiboma, BSN, MSN, NP]

I don't know if it's the same in the states, but to be eligable to take the CRNE as an American RN, one must have already passed the NCLEX. So I imagine it might be the same in the states. To be eligable to take the NCLEX, one may have to have passed the CRNE. Besides, there would be all sorts of other hoops to jump through to work in the states. The job market there is crap, way worse than in Canada and I'm sure that they would hire American nurses over green card Canadian nurses any day. Just as I would hope that Canadian employers would hire Canadian nurses over landed immigrant nurses from any country.

You are wrong on many statements you made in this post.

1.) You don not need to pass CRNE to be eligible to write the NCLEX

2.) American employers prefer Canadian nurses because of their education and their Nursing degree's, Canadian education is valued more

3.) I am certain a canadian citizen can apply for an american work visa it usually takes about 6 months max

So it is not as difficult as you state, i live in Toronto i am a dual citizen and will be writting NCLEX in 2 months, i fully intend on working in western NY until i get enough hours to write CRNE.

[joanna73, BSN, RN]

No matter how many times some people take the exam, they aren't going to pass. Some people barely got through school and clinicals. They lack common sense, and would be dangerous to the public. That's one reason why the exam is in place...to weed those people out. How many times should we allow? 20? Maybe everyone who was successful the first time should receive some kind of bonus, because if you are speaking of rewarding bad behaviour, then good behaviour should also be rewarded.

[dishes, BSN, RN]

You are wrong on many statements you made in this post.

1.) You don not need to pass CRNE to be eligible to write the NCLEX

2.) American employers prefer Canadian nurses because of their education and their Nursing degree's, Canadian education is valued more

3.) I am certain a canadian citizen can apply for an american work visa it usually takes about 6 months max

So it is not as difficult as you state, i live in Toronto i am a dual citizen and will be writting NCLEX in 2 months, i fully intend on working in western NY until i get enough hours to write CRNE.

I am not sure your plan will work, because New York BON requires that you are "approved by the licensing authority or appropriate governmental agency in the jurisdiction where the school is located as preparation for practice as a registered professional nurse" I interpret this to mean (and I may be wrong) that the CNO needs to verify that you are eligible for registration in Ontario before New York will grant you a licence.

[agiboma, BSN, MSN, NP]

I am not sure your plan will work, because New York BON requires that you are "approved by the licensing authority or appropriate governmental agency in the jurisdiction where the school is located as preparation for practice as a registered professional nurse" I interpret this to mean (and I may be wrong) that the CNO needs to verify that you are eligible for registration in Ontario before New York will grant you a licence.

You are wrong.

1.) I have verified with the NY BON that my education will be the deciding factor in determining my eligibility to sit the NCLEX i am applying as an IEN and that does not require me to be eligible for registration the country where i received my nursing education as long as my education is the equivalent to the state on NY.

2.) I graduated from a BScN program in Ontario so yes i am eligible for registration with CNO

[Silverdragon102, BSN]

We have seen a few members in the International forum state issues in the US registering with some states because they have no license in their country where they took their training so just because it isn't happening to you doesn't mean it is the same for others.

[dishes, BSN, RN]

I hope all your plans work out, good luck on the exam agiboma.

[NotReady4PrimeTime, RN]

There has been a startling lack of civility in some of the posts to this thread, so I think it needs to be closed for a cooling-off period. I will reopen again at noon MDT Monday October 17th.