I hold one post graduate degree working on a second and two Baccalaureate degrees. Yes, I like school a whole lot. I have taken online courses but find them to be relatively easy compared to in-school classes. When I earned my BSN from my RN the ease of earning the degree was simple. The coreqs were difficult when compared to the nursing classes. The Masters was even easier then the "upgrade" to my BSN.
I have had a few friends earn "pay for" online degrees. I assisted them on many occasions with their studies over the last few years. I found the online classes to be even simpler then the in school classes. My point of all this is I think with the abundance of online nursing schools it down grades our professions educational system.
THis is based on the supply and demand model. Meaning more schools same customer base means lower standards. If they did not lower standards then they would have "empty seats" in their "classes rooms." It seems with the eruption of online classess these company's that "chase" the LPN, RN and BSN perpared students do it for the money.
Well this is all well and good for the company that is making the $$$$$ but not for our profession. Look at PT, Pharm D, MD and DO schools they are there to make money but they limit the number. MD and DO schools make up about 140 school in the USA. Just how many nursing schools are they in the New York and California let alone the the other 48 states.
There are many reasons for the limited supply of the above professionals. But if any one has a copy of todays WALL STREET JOURNAL the bottom right under the "Inside Today's Journal" section look at the Home Improvement Made Easier. The contractors are now offering discounts because the "hot" market is cooling. In other words there is more supply (contractors) then demand. So what do they do lower their standards meaning how much $$$$ they will take to do the job.
This I can compare to many things but to remain on topic all the online schools and their continued rise to recruit new LPN's, RN's and BSN's. Standards must go down.......................................
I'm not sure this is a troll. I just joined allnurses forums today. I'm an RN to BSN student (brick and mortar school) and I'm doing research for a class called Current Issues in Nursing on the quality of online nursing education. I think it's a very valid point for discussion, and I'm here looking for the pros and cons. I'd like to hear what students in online nursing programs think about the quality of their education.
burn out, please don't fear technology. it's here to stay..
for me, i have taken several class online through military outreach programs. to be honest the classes were not as easy as i had hoped . what i soon found out was that one may take a class online, but everyone has to take their exams at a local college.
is this your idea of easier, less effective education? is this "cheaper" than a traditional school, probably not and considering i have done both i believe i can attest. there are no "take home midterms or finals" if thats what you think, lol.
with online colleges if you fail the midterm or final you fail the course. it's as that simple as that. different, nope, harder i would say yes.
however, i can not speak about the clinical aspect of dl. all my medical instruction comes from military schools. but, i know they must have it. it is required for all r.n. students, no?
since you performed your college work over 20 years ago, it must be a difficult concept to grasp, the distance learning r.n. programs that is. believe me, these types of programs are here to stay. i see dl programs everywhere! (btw, no disrespect intended w/the 20yr thing)
in 1900 the average life expectancy was between 40-43. now, in 2006, life expectancy is between 78-80. the reason i mention this is just because "history" did things one way, does that mean we should not advance beyond it? should we all just kill ourselves at 41 because "thats the way things happend way back then", of course not, we need to grow....
"in the military we have a saying, lead or get out of the way"
burn out, please don't fear technology. it's here to stay..
for me, i have taken several class online through military outreach programs. to be honest the classes were not as easy as i had hoped . what i soon found out was that one may take a class online, but everyone has to take their exams at a local college.
is this your idea of easier, less effective education? is this "cheaper" than a traditional school, probably not and considering i have done both i believe i can attest. there are no "take home midterms or finals" if thats what you think, lol.
with online colleges if you fail the midterm or final you fail the course. it's as that simple as that. different, nope, harder i would say yes.
however, i can not speak about the clinical aspect of dl. all my medical instruction comes from military schools. but, i know they must have it. it is required for all r.n. students, no?
since you performed your college work over 20 years ago, it must be a difficult concept to grasp, the distance learning r.n. programs that is. believe me, these types of programs are here to stay. i dl programs everywhere. (btw, no disrespect intended w/the 20yr thing)
in 1900 the average life expectancy was between 40-43. now, in 2006, life expectancy is between 78-80. the reason i mention this is just because "history" did things one way, does that mean we should not advance beyond it? should we all just kill ourselves at 41 because "thats the way things happend way back then", of course not, we need to grow....
"in the military we have a saying, lead or get out of the way"
Ok I'm just starting out in the whole world of nursing. Yes I'm taking an online CNA class which to most of you is not much of anything. I do plan to go from here into the LPN program which is a split online/classroom/clinical class. I agree with some of the hesitation of online learning as I myself spoke with not less then 5 local schools trying to assure myself I was going to get a concret education. I applied for the ASN and the wait was 2.5 years:eek: . I'm taking CNA first becasue I can transfer into the LPN program directly from the CNA program. I will have to take core classes like everyone else but I don't have the wait. Come summer quarter I will be "IN". I won't test until I have my core classes. I don't understand why you constantly hear the need for nurses but they make it so flipping hard to even get into a program. I think everyone learns in a different way and just because something isn't right for one person it may be perfect someone else.
Some of the replies to this thread mentioned "easier." That is definitely subjective and needs no further response.
Cheapen(?) our profession is an interesting question. If I'm not mistaken all US RNs must pass a state board NCLEX exam so if online education is not equal to on campus please explain how those of us who have attended online ASN programs are passing the boards and rather well I might add.
It is very apparent there are some individuals who don't agree with online/distance education which is their choice. The fact is online/distance education is here to stay.
Rather than putting so much energy into finding all the negative aspects of this choice in education people could be directing their efforts into something more constructive like say support. You may find yourself working side by side with us someday or perhaps a patient of ours; then you will see us for the well trained professional we are.
Some of the replies to this thread mentioned "easier." That is definitely subjective and needs no further response.
Cheapen(?) our profession is an interesting question. If I'm not mistaken all US RNs must pass a state board NCLEX exam so if online education is not equal to on campus please explain how those of us who have attended online ASN programs are passing the boards and rather well I might add.
It is very apparent there are some individuals who don't agree with online/distance education which is their choice. The fact is online/distance education is here to stay.
Rather than putting so much energy into finding all the negative aspects of this choice in education people could be directing their efforts into something more constructive like say support. You may find yourself working side by side with us someday or perhaps a patient of ours; then you will see us for the well trained professional we are.
i saw a remark on free speech and that following "nahhh" that resulted.
free speech, yes. but the problem seems to be that it goes both ways.
if someone does not support dl, why troll the dl threads? is it to create situation that would require a negative response? or was it just a bad day at work and need a fight? everyone loves a sure thing aye?
i for one tend to stay away from things i don't personally support. the "cheapen the profession" thing was posted to start a problem plain and simple. when distant learners read this post, the need is then set in place to defend their choice of education. is defense even needed?
although i am not an rn via dl, i have used dl for several college classes (like a&p) and i believe it's a worthy path.
the plain fact is, some folks are afraid of what they do not understand. hell, my mom is "never getting a computer" it's to complicated.
she too is college educated through traditional means. the thought of an online class to her is crazy. she thought that you could take your exams home to do them.it was at that point i took her through just one of my dl classes and the work required, at that point she was struck by lightning.
thus she too learned that dl was no joke.
then there the folks that are stuck in the "way it used to be". most will never change their minds, and i for one will never try to do so.
my only upset on this issue is that the dl nay sayers:crash_com may not treat someone equally at work knowing they completed an rn via dl.
i on the other hand applaud every dl rn grad for going it alone, without the support of a class or instructor. simply brave.
My only upset on this issue is that the DL NAY SAYERS:crash_com may not treat someone equally at work knowing they completed an RN via DL.
And of all of the "distance learning" threads here, I have yet to see anyone actually reporting this happening to them.
Anyone?
In fact, I have yet to see anyone who reports being remotely involved with the hiring or supervising of distance learning grads and how they are viewed as being any different than or substandard to any other RN.
Anyone?
Yep, that's what I thought.
A lot of wisdom to be read here, next to none of which comes from anyone who has any actual remote "hands on" experience with distance learning grads.
Just a lot of theory, philosophy, and rumor.
BTW, an MBA can now be achieved via online/distance learning.
Is the MBA degree now cheapened and looked down upon in the business community?
and of all of the "distance learning" threads here, i have yet to see anyone actually reporting this happening to them.
anyone?
in fact, i have yet to see anyone who reports being remotely involved with the hiring or supervising of distance learning grads and how they are viewed as being any different than or substandard to any other rn.
anyone?
yep, that's what i thought.
a lot of wisdom to be read here, next to none of which comes from anyone who has any actual remote "hands on" experience with distance learning grads.
just a lot of theory, philosophy, and rumor.
btw, an mba can now be achieved via online/distance learning.
is the mba degree now cheapened and looked down upon in the business community?
Specializes in Trauma,ER,CCU/OHU/Nsg Ed/Nsg Research.
I saw a remark on FREE SPEECH and that following "Nahhh" that resulted.
Free speech, yes. But the problem seems to be that it goes both ways.
If someone does not support DL, why TROLL the DL threads? Is it to create situation that would REQUIRE a negative response? Or was it just a bad day at work and need a fight? Everyone loves a sure thing aye?
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Yes- I think if one is to be a really good troll around here, it might be necessary to change it up a bit. Maybe try something a little different instead of the DL threads, the overweight nurses threads, and the old-hat favorite ASN vs BSN threads. The pattern is getting too predictable, and is very much lacking in creativity, dontcha think?
. what i soon found out was that one may take a class online, but everyone has to take their exams at a local college. 
:yelclap:
NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!! 
"way it used to be". most will never change their minds, and i for one will never try to do so. 
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I'm not sure this is a troll. I just joined allnurses forums today. I'm an RN to BSN student (brick and mortar school) and I'm doing research for a class called Current Issues in Nursing on the quality of online nursing education. I think it's a very valid point for discussion, and I'm here looking for the pros and cons. I'd like to hear what students in online nursing programs think about the quality of their education.