Old abbreviations now passe?

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I just heard from a friend that, in nursing school nowadays, nurses are no longer taught things like "b.i.d." "q.i.d" "q6h" "h.s" and things like that--that, in fact, it is now required that, in nursing notes and even on the part of the physicians writing orders, that the actual phrase be written out--"twice a day" "evey 6 hours" or "at hour of sleep, before bedtime, or at 10 p.m." (choose the most appropriate)

Have those of you who work med-surg noted this to be true on your post-op patients? If so, when did it all start, and do you know if it was a JCAHO patient safety decision?

I am curious as to whether it affected other commonly used abbreviations, as well. For example, do the dosc now write "anti-embolic stockings" instead of simply "TEDS" and instead of writing "SCDs" do they actually write out "sequential compression devices?" Do they write out "arterial blood gases" instead of "ABGs?" "Complete blood count" instead of CBC? Just curious as to the exact rules, if any, involving this "no abbreviations" trend, and if it has changed your OWN charting practices.

I was reviewing a chart the other day in which "PAS" was written on a line in which another order was crossed out. At first I thought it was the initials of the person who crossed out the order, but on closer inspection I saw that HIS initials were "PAC."

Since it was critical I know for sure what this meant, yet never having seen the term "PAS" I called a nurse friend in the state in which the chart originated. She knew right away--it stood for "Pneumatic antiembolic stockings." "Whoda thunk it"--certainly not anybody in MY neck of the woods. We call them SCDs or ICDs (intermittent compression devices) or simply "compression pumps" out here.

Anybody else know them as "PAS?"

Patrick, I totally agree that this is needed desperately.What kind of pressure on the physicians? Can JCAHO fine them? The hospitals aren't going to stand up to the very doctors who bring them money are they?

Admittedly it's been awhile for me, but last I heard nurses were still trying to translate chicken scratch orders, find out WHO wrote them and then discover a beeper or callback number to clarify what was written.

It does drive me crazy when I'm pressed for time and need to call an MD to report something or get an order and I spend 15 min trying to decipher their note, beeper number, or even their name and what service they are on!

I've noticed some docs have started using a stamp with their name and beeper # which is extremely helpful to us nurses :coollook:

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Patrick, I totally agree that this is needed desperately.What kind of pressure on the physicians? Can JCAHO fine them? The hospitals aren't going to stand up to the very doctors who bring them money are they?

Admittedly it's been awhile for me, but last I heard nurses were still trying to translate chicken scratch orders, find out WHO wrote them and then discover a beeper or callback number to clarify what was written.

I agree that hospitals will not want to address the issue with their doctors (many that bring in a lot of revenue), but if the hospitals get type I recommendations from Joint Commission and they do not correct the problem, they will be fined and very heavy until their issues are corrected.

If all the hospitals are in the same boat, then there will be no other choice for physicians .... they will have to comply.

I think as hospitals employ new information technology and move more to the electronic clinical record, order entry will eventually become a mandate for physicians. I know from personal experience in working with the VA that order entry is required for the physicians. Nurses can take verbal or telephone orders, but we are limited and the physicians are required to enter their own orders. It is the wave of the future and I really think we will see compliance in our life time.

At the last facility I worked, when they tried to have the physicians stop using abreviations, we tried calling or catching them to write the order correctly, the MD's just ignored us. The ones I worked closely with always said, don't bother me, just rewrite it as a verbal order. When I pointed out that it was against the new policy for me to do this, The MD said I am too busy for this, just do it. It got to the point I just rewrote the orders for the MD's I really knew I could trust and knew what they wanted. Like units, morphine, and at bedtime. It was a PIA but it was easier than the constant phone calls, being ignored, and being griped at for something they had done for years.

Instead of "CC" it's now ML. "CC" can look like "QD" or "00"

Instead of "QD" it's now "Every day"

We can no longer write..

MSO4, qd, qod, U - others added I while I am writing this.

Incidently - the other day i was doing chart check and an MD refused to sign the home med sheet. The nurse had written qd. He wrote "i cannot sign this order with the abbreviation qd or i will be written up!"

who knew?

These things change real FaSt. I was just memorizing "qd", "MSO4"...etc last semester and this semester they are already telling us to change. No more "qd" (but "QDay" or "daily"), microgram has to be "mcg" and not w/ that weird "M" sign. Also, gotta use leading zeroes and NO trailing zeroes.

Hmm...by the time I graduate, will prob' need to re-learn the whole thing all over again~

Toronto Regular 10 - 0 -0 - 10

Translates into: 10 in a.m. , none at noon, none at supper with 10 units at night.

Too many errors or near misses.

FYI

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It bugs me that now we have to spend even MORE time documenting. Yes, if one error can be avoided, it's worth it. Being a diabetes educator and adjusting insulin, you can guess how many times I have to write out "units." We have a book of accepted abbreviations. I have to go back and look at it every now and then to remember which of my old abbreviations are no longer acceptable. :o

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At the last facility I worked, when they tried to have the physicians stop using abreviations, we tried calling or catching them to write the order correctly, the MD's just ignored us. The ones I worked closely with always said, don't bother me, just rewrite it as a verbal order. When I pointed out that it was against the new policy for me to do this, The MD said I am too busy for this, just do it. It got to the point I just rewrote the orders for the MD's I really knew I could trust and knew what they wanted. Like units, morphine, and at bedtime. It was a PIA but it was easier than the constant phone calls, being ignored, and being griped at for something they had done for years.

I think you are very correct that many physicians just would not comply. But now that Joint Commission is suverying facilities on their compliance, hospitals are going to have to force compliance.

Unfortunately, for many nurses, it is just easier to re-write the order as a clarification than to deal with the doc yelling and screaming at you. But, if it were me, I would write an occurrence report everytime I got screamed and yelled at by a physician that refused to properly comply with the policy. Risk Management tends to play a huge role in relationship to these issues and because this policy represents a patient safety initiative - at least I have covered myself and the hospital with an occurrence report.

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Our pharmacy is as of Sept. 1st to reject these orders and nursing has to call the doc for clarification. (never mind that Pharmicists are allowed to take verbal orders, but that's another topic).

"Excuse me Mrs. MD, what exactly do you mean by Q.O.D.?". Can't wait until I get to do that the first time. :rotfl:

i'm just a new member here.can i ask anyone to give me a list of "complete nursing abbreviations?" please

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jpgali-dlsc i'm just a new member here.can i ask anyone to give me a list of "complete nursing abbreviations?" please

No! Check your nursing books...mine were in my calculations book. If not, do a search of the website.

OUr hospital is also has lists (in all charts and nurses stations) regarding approved abbreviations. Not ok ones include Morphine (MS, MSO4), Mag Sulfate (MgSO4), qod, qid, qd (easily confused with each other), the ones for eyes (I don't even use those, hence, I cannot remember the abbreviation wihtout looking it up), and we have to write out sub-Q, instead of SQ (cannot remember why off top of head).

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