Not much on the telly tonight, so I ended up watching "My 600 lb. Life" --- the show where folks go to Houston for bariatric surgery… some successful, some not so much.
After watching a couple episodes, I'm left with some mixed feelings.
Is super morbid obesity:
1) a disease along the same lines as alcoholism and drug addiction?
2) a lifestyle issue (poor food choices, lack of exercise, laziness)?
3) a mental health issue (poor self esteem, depression, etc.)?
What have you seen in your practice re: number of super morbidly obese admissions, bariatric surgeries, disease processes related to super morbid obesity, difficulty caring for super morbidly obese patients.
Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).
I don't know what you are inferring from my post, but you have missed the mark and I believe some emotion is injected about your own trials of being obese
What about my posts makes you think I am emotional about my obesity. Considering what I have been through in life and the fact that i did lose 100 pounds by diet a very moderate exercise. I do not feel bad about my weight. I have survived things most people can't even comprehend . I am a living testament to how a persons life can change. Come into my house and you won't find a potato chip, snack cake or soda in the house. The daily diet in our home consists of 50-60% vegetables. Even with fibromyalgia and degenerative joint disease I work full time and tend my garden daily. Digging potatoes is hard work by the way. My doctor says I can easily qualify for social security disability. My last labs had a cholesterol of 188. You don't have to be thin to be healthy. I do practice holistic nursing and make sure that people that people who are menally ill, addicted, obese, or homeless don't feel shamed or worthless. The good Lord said give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. I generally like your posts so I believe we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
... The good Lord said give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
Hppy
Matthew 7:7-11 Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"
I would guess that this is the scripture that you are referencing. If it is not please provide the Biblical reference because the words you attribute to Jesus are no where to be found in the red lines of any of my Bibles, nor are they discoverable in any of the online Bibles that I utilize.
In reality, those words are a misrepresentation of Biblical ideology and are not a portion of the teachings of Jesus Christ. This notion of fishing goes in the same category as; "spare the rod, spoil the child" and "cleanliness is next to Godliness". They are popular sayings in American culture but they have nothing to do with the Bible or with a Christian faith walk.
Soooo, I guess I should start out with the fact I receive food benefits. Just SNAP as I'm a single adult with no kids and I work part time as a nursing assistant. At least in my state, full time students in training programs with low incomes are allowed to receive food benefits. People who I know receive benefits are students like me, or disabled, or working low wage jobs in one of the highest cost of living areas I've ever lived in.
I'm lucky enough to have a friend who rents me a room. I mostly rely on public transit, but my clinicals this quarter didn't allow that. I'm overweight. I'm 5'3 and 230. I have food allergies and I'm diabetic, and people seem to think that it is perfectly fine to tell me all about how I'm choosing to cost them money because I'm fat.
Watching this thread is like watching the woman behind me in the store who thinks me getting almond milk is a waste of her money and she gets to voice this opinion because she's the one really paying for it.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
If you want to start throwing Bible quotes around, you might want to reconsider.
2 Thessalonians 3:8-10
8 nor did we eat food received free from anyone. On the contrary, in toil and drudgery, night and day we worked, so as not to burden any of you.
9Not that we do not have the right. Rather, we wanted to present ourselves as a model for you, so that you might imitate us.
10 In fact, when we were with you, we instructed you that if anyone was unwilling to work, neither should that one eat.
It is true that people can find all sort of scripture with which to make a specific point, especially when those scripture and words are taken out of context.
You will note, please, that I was merely trying to understand if scripture had been misquoted or if, in fact, the poster is unaware that what she attributed to our Lord is NOT what the Bible says. That sort of confusion is not uncommon in our society where the vast majority identify as Christian but very many of those folks are actually relatively ignorant of what the Bible actually says in total.
Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).
Matthew 7:7-11 Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"
I would guess that this is the scripture that you are referencing. If it is not please provide the Biblical reference because the words you attribute to Jesus are no where to be found in the red lines of any of my Bibles, nor are they discoverable in any of the online Bibles that I utilize.
In reality, those words are a misrepresentation of Biblical ideology and are not a portion of the teachings of Jesus Christ. This notion of fishing goes in the same category as; "spare the rod, spoil the child" and "cleanliness is next to Godliness". They are popular sayings in American culture but they have nothing to do with the Bible or with a Christian faith walk.
Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).
Soooo, I guess I should start out with the fact I receive food benefits. Just SNAP as I'm a single adult with no kids and I work part time as a nursing assistant. At least in my state, full time students in training programs with low incomes are allowed to receive food benefits. People who I know receive benefits are students like me, or disabled, or working low wage jobs in one of the highest cost of living areas I've ever lived in.
I'm lucky enough to have a friend who rents me a room. I mostly rely on public transit, but my clinicals this quarter didn't allow that. I'm overweight. I'm 5'3 and 230. I have food allergies and I'm diabetic, and people seem to think that it is perfectly fine to tell me all about how I'm choosing to cost them money because I'm fat.
Watching this thread is like watching the woman behind me in the store who thinks me getting almond milk is a waste of her money and she gets to voice this opinion because she's the one really paying for it.
I have no problem with people who work and need some assistance to feed themselves and their families. At least they are making an effort to provide for themselves. If you have diabetes it behooves you to eat as healthy as you can to avoid the long term consequences of the disease. I applaud you buying Almond milk as it is comparable in price to cows milk and i better for you nutritionlly. While I am sometimes disgusted when I see someone paying with benefits with a cart full of junk I would never be so rude as to comment on their choices. I eat an exceedingly healthy diet that is over 60% fresh vegetables and I am fat too - but my doctor calls me "fit fat" I was well on my way to weeting a goal of 160 in 2009 but becames very ill in 2010 which culminated in have 18 inches of my colon removed in 2012. My doctor is less concerned about my weight and more concerned with the big picture. Try cutting complex carbs and all dairy from your diet. you can get all the iron and calcium you need from dark green leafy vegetables.
It is true that people can find all sort of scripture with which to make a specific point, especially when those scripture and words are taken out of context.
You will note, please, that I was merely trying to understand if scripture had been misquoted or if, in fact, the poster is unaware that what she attributed to our Lord is NOT what the Bible says. That sort of confusion is not uncommon in our society where the vast majority identify as Christian but very many of those folks are actually relatively ignorant of what the Bible actually says in total.
Is there an individual who understands what the Bible says in total? Who is this person (or people)?
I have no problem with people who work and need some assistance to feed themselves and their families. At least they are making an effort to provide for themselves. If you have diabetes it behooves you to eat as healthy as you can to avoid the long term consequences of the disease. I applaud you buying Almond milk as it is comparable in price to cows milk and i better for you nutritionlly. While I am sometimes disgusted when I see someone paying with benefits with a cart full of junk I would never be so rude as to comment on their choices. I eat an exceedingly healthy diet that is over 60% fresh vegetables and I am fat too - but my doctor calls me "fit fat" I was well on my way to weeting a goal of 160 in 2009 but becames very ill in 2010 which culminated in have 18 inches of my colon removed in 2012. My doctor is less concerned about my weight and more concerned with the big picture. Try cutting complex carbs and all dairy from your diet. you can get all the iron and calcium you need from dark green leafy vegetables.
hppy
I'm a very well controlled T2DM. Metformin and diet. Huge fan of Idaho plate and think it works well for both diabetics and non diabetics. I'm lucky enough that we have a full time farmers market within the distance I can walk of my home. It's open 8 months of the year. Here, farmers markets can accept EBT cards. I can also use it to buy seeds and starter plants that are food bearing there with it. Washington state is pretty progressive. The thing is, I understand that for my weight I am pretty healthy. My friends like to buy me race registrations for birthday and holiday gifts. I've taken nutrition classes. I live in an area with ready access to healthy foods. I'm lucky.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
Is there an individual who understands what the Bible says in total? Who is this person (or people)?
Most Christians do their best to study the Bible with an intention to understand the will of God in their lives. Only a very few people claim to be Bible experts, I am not one and have never suggested as much. I have studied it as one of my personal hobbies and favorite things to do, however.
Having said that, I do feel that I have a good grasp of what the Bible is telling us. Particularly in the NT, I believe it is telling us that we should be living our lives in the example of the Christ. In my view, the NT is telling us to emulate the compassion, the mercy, the forgiveness, the charity, and the self control of Jesus (there are probably other attributes that I might mention if I were to think deeply about this, but I think this makes my point). We are each called in our faith to enjoy an individual relationship with God, the depth and strength of that relationship grows as we pray, study the word, and consider the temptations and stumbling blocks of this time and place.
I love discussions of faith amongst believers and even don't mind contentious discussions in mixed faith groups (non believers, believers in multiple faiths, etc) as long as the majority can maintain calm, leaving emotional reactionary language out of the dialog. A portion of studying the Bible is ability to recognize when someone is attributing a belief or behavior or similar upon something which is NOT in line with the Word. I love when scripture is interjected into our conversations, it is simply important to represent it carefully.
So, in answer to your question; each of us would have to decide, based upon our own experience, knowledge base, and understanding of Scripture to discern who is most knowledgeable and wise about the Word of God. Mostly, I think a person's knowledge and comprehension of the Bible is reflected in how they treat other people and how they treat themselves while they live in praise of God.
If 2/3rds of our population were addicted to tobacco and had the associated health problems for tax payers to cover, where would we start to address the problem? At pointing fingers to their weak willedness to quit? Not at the tobacco itself?
Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).
If 2/3rds of our population were addicted to tobacco and had the associated health problems for tax payers to cover, where would we start to address the problem? At pointing fingers to their weak willedness to quit? Not at the tobacco itself?
As one who has been in recovery for 11 years I must tell you that will power has NOTHING to do with overcoming addiction. Weather it be booze, smokes, street drugs or food addiction is a complex psychosocial and medical problem that requires compassionate treatment not judgment and shaming. Unlike many addictions - Food is even more complex because your body cannot live without fuel" If you have never suffered from an addiction it's all too easy to point the finger at someone and call them weak. In fact most addicts who quit using will power were either not addicted in the first place or subject to multiple relapses.
hppygr8ful, ASN, RN, EMT-I
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What about my posts makes you think I am emotional about my obesity. Considering what I have been through in life and the fact that i did lose 100 pounds by diet a very moderate exercise. I do not feel bad about my weight. I have survived things most people can't even comprehend . I am a living testament to how a persons life can change. Come into my house and you won't find a potato chip, snack cake or soda in the house. The daily diet in our home consists of 50-60% vegetables. Even with fibromyalgia and degenerative joint disease I work full time and tend my garden daily. Digging potatoes is hard work by the way. My doctor says I can easily qualify for social security disability. My last labs had a cholesterol of 188. You don't have to be thin to be healthy. I do practice holistic nursing and make sure that people that people who are menally ill, addicted, obese, or homeless don't feel shamed or worthless. The good Lord said give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. I generally like your posts so I believe we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this.
Hppy