Obamacare? what are your thoughts

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Hello ladies!

As healthcare professionals, what are your opinions on Obamacare?

How ironic because liberals seem to think everything is Bush's fault. Its sunny today. Thats Bush's fault too.

I don't see the ACA as a liberals thing. This thread is not about Bush or anything he may or may not have done. Maybe because I'm not a liberal, but I would have never thought to blame Bush for the rising cost of health care. This is an issue that needed to be addressed long before he or his father was ever in office.

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You wont change my mind.

Fair enough

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How ironic because liberals seem to think everything is Bush's fault. Its sunny today. Thats Bush's fault too.

So you agree that's bad logic?

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How ironic because liberals seem to think everything is Bush's fault. Its sunny today. Thats Bush's fault too.

hyperbole, nice

we only want to give Bush credit for those things he should have credit for...you know, the war in Iraq, the war in Afganistan, the crash of the economy, the recession, the balooning of the deficit, the pharmacy donut hole for medicare recipients, the erosion of rights through The Patriot Act, activist Supreme Court Justice Roberts; things like that.

You, on the other hand have jumped onto the Obamacare bandwagon and are not about to have your mind changed. okay

You really do have the right to persist in wrong thinking even when presented with facts which contradict your notions.

Frankly, your disparaging comments and generalizations about poor folks and hippie liberals were adequate to erode any credibility that you might have had otherwise. In my view, your descriptives reflect your attitude more than they represent any other thing.

You should feel fortunate that you are only now having issues with health insurance. Millions of Americans have not been so lucky over the last couple of decades.

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No my parents were not in the military. I was in the military and am now a nurse. My father worked at a truck building plant and retired after 36 years and has still been covered until last year when his plan suddenly is no longer offered. If Obamacare didnt begin to take money from all those who pay taxes, then the corrupt insurance companies would not have canceled their plan. So yes in a round about way it is Obamacare. You wont change my mind.

How is it you think Obamacare is "taking money from all those who pay taxes"? Are you under the impression the subsidies come out of your income taxes?

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I don't see the ACA as a liberals thing. This thread is not about Bush or anything he may or may not have done. Maybe because I'm not a liberal, but I would have never thought to blame Bush for the rising cost of health care. This is an issue that needed to be addressed long before he or his father was ever in office.

This I will agree with you on. The government has been messed up for a very very long time. I have no problem with healthcare for all. I do strongly have a belief that this current mess of a plan should have been thought out much more. Why could the government change rules a few at a time instead of force "all to pay for ALL" like a tax. I hear so much about preexisting conditions and its made so many happy. Thats great for those who were effected by preexisting conditions. But why couldnt the government changed rulings on those conditions? or why not hit the insurance companies with stringent pricing and gouging fines? We all know the government can and will do whatever they want, but I think this was done poorly and too radically. Rules definetly needed to change, everyone agrees on that. But change the biggest rules that are screwed up a few at a time and continue from there until all are happy. This drastic policy has hit many like you and I who work, in our pocket and has placed financial stress on many who didnt deserve the problems. In my case I am retired military who is now a nurse at a VA hospital. I dont make a ton of money but work there because I am still serving those who deserve my respect as well as it being kind of therapuetic to me to still be around those who served in combat as I did. I have seen so many on a daily basis who no longer can afford health insurance and have no income so get all their care at the VA. If anyone wishes to know the qualifications to get care at the VA ask me and Ill be happy to tell you. And no not anyone who was in the military gets free care here. Most beleive it or not pay for all their care if they didnt have a military service disability connection. My father worked at a truck plant for 36 years and was retired for 20 and now he nor my mother have any insurance at all because of this new "policy". No I dont like it and have seen graphs and heard how none of this is Obamacares fault all day today. If anyone else works at the VA please let me know if Im the only one who has seen this on a daily basis and I will shut up. I am now struggling to gte my parents on to my insurance to get their care covered. So if you think I am biased than I will tell you yes I am. Obamacare has effected me in nothing but a negative way and yes my premiums went up drastically in the last two years compared to how much it went up prior. So state what you wish that "I was do for a higher increase", or that it was coincidence that this has happened to my family, but I see it one way. This is Obamacares fault in my families eyes.

Im done commenting on this subject.

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We will accept your rant.

Good luck to you.

I am sorry that you are so unhappy with the conservative health insurance reform that is commonly called Obamacare. Fortunately, you are in the minority relative to this experience.

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You are correct, it is easy for me to blame the people who squeeze our system dry of the money that you and I have to put itno to pay for their free handouts. Its easy where I live to see these people. I live in Portland Oregon the city of the free liberal hippies who stage protests and destroy the parks by living in them and having drug overdoses over a 45 day period to get their point across how we as humans are destroying our forests. Am I biased? ya probably. Because these same people who play drums in our parks and blame everything on the system have rarely worked a day in their life except for the occassional gas station or record store. I have a family member who lives this lifestyle and I have never approved and have never been successful to change her ways. Since I served 21 years in the military and been in law enforcement , and am now a nurse for the "government".....I am to blame. It didnt "take me this long", Ive just remained quiet until now it is effecting me and my parents. I live by the phrase........."dont **** with my family".

Ha, well if you want to come to Missouri, i can show you some rural areas where you will find people living off the system and not working just the same. I can also introduce you to my uncles who are farmers. They are conservative and like to complain about people on welfare, meanwhile their entire crop and most of their equipment are subsidized by the government. I can introduce you to my conservative friend who works for Boeing who laments government assistance..........unless it is a defense contract that is (necessary or not). I always found it amusing to listen to patients there who had chronic lifestyle illnesses talk about how everyone else is bankrupting the country. No self awareness whatsoever. Everyone takes whether they choose to acknowledge it or not.

What is a handout anyway? To me, it sounds more and more like something that someone else gets but you don't. Is it a mortgage interest deduction? Free education for kids? Utility tax rebates for seniors? A tax credit for an electric vehicle? Farm subsidies? Etc. etc. if those aren't handouts, why not? I personally had 2013 tax credits/deductions that totaled more than a fulltime minimum wage worker makes in a year, how could I begrudge them the opportunity for health care?

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One of the wonderful things about living in this country is that we are allowed to have our own opinions about things. This topic has been a very educational topic that I hope we will continue to have as we see how the ACA will work in the states that accepted the Medicare expansion and the states that didnt. I do want to hear opinions like fitopp's. It's not my opinion, but it does have some merit no matter how small others may think it is.

The thing I do enjoy about this board is that we can agree to disagree. Thanks to many of you I have learned what the ACA is and is not.

I am of the group that it didn't go far enough, but I do think its a start. For now, I am optimistically watching how things will go and the changes that will occur with this new law.

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It makes me sad that there are healthcare professionals who think some people don't have the right to health insurance. Regardless of how the system is set up, it seems there are many people who just feel that you shouldn't be afforded the right if you can't pay for it. I know the system is flawed, and I know that there are those who take advantage, but I can't imagine not wanting every single American to be able to go to the doctor when they need to.

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My father worked at a truck plant for 36 years and was retired for 20 and now he nor my mother have any insurance at all because of this new "policy".

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has read all your posts and is still confused about your repeated assertions that your elderly, retired parents now have no insurance at all. Are you saying they don't have Medicare??

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I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has read all your posts and is still confused about your repeated assertions that your elderly, retired parents now have no insurance at all. Are you saying they don't have Medicare??

They do have medicare however as we know it doesnt cover nearly enough on the retirement income they are on. The plan they had then lost was much more helping in prescriptions which is what they need in their late 70's. I am attempting to get them on to my plan so they can get better coverage.

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