Kaley1

I am weird, I am an introvert everywhere else, but as soon as i walk into a patient's room the introversion all goes out the window. Same goes with social vs professional communication with colleagues. Socially, I will be introverted with new colleagues for quite a while, but when there is a professional purpose behind it, the communication is there from day one. I guess I am a socially challenged but highly professional. I don't know why it is so hard for me outside of a professional situation. Wish I knew how to change that.

I was thinking the exact same thing. I posed a simple question, and instead of an answer or opinion, there is half a page worth of partisan nonsense disrupting everyone else's civil discussion. Wish there was a way to selectively tune out posts like that.

i suppose if you had kids, you paid for their birth in full? Didn't take maternity leave? Paid for their entire education? It was your desire to have a kid and it costs a lot more than birth control. If you don't have kids, disregard that, but take the message for what it is. Everyone makes decisions, what makes one person's decision to have a kid one that should be funded by everyone else, and someone else's decision not to have a kid one that shouldn't be funded? Birth control certainly costs less for everyone.

I completely agree. Many of the solutions are very simple too, but neither side has the courage or will to begin.

In a way, they already have more rights, our government works for them, not for the people.

The Supreme Court upheld the mandate last year, this was about exemptions based on religion. While i think hobby lobby should be able to cover what they want as you do, the religious exemption was dangerous and wrong. I don't agree with a bad court decision to remedy the situation because it opens the door to more nonsense and abuse. Hobby Lobby is not consistent with their religious objections. When it means higher profits, their objections to supporting abortion or those birth control methods are suddenly out the window. If you have religious objections honored by a court, you should not be able to pick and choose when you object and when you don't. You should have to prove like a conscientious objector that you truly mean what you say before it is even considered. There needs to be a standard that you are consistent with, otherwise, I don't buy your objections or offense.

I personally think that hobby lobby should be able to cover what they want based on the fact that this is America, and my belief that health insurance shouldn't be mandated through the employer. My biggest problem with the ACA is the way it utilized businesses to achieve the mandate. It was obvious that this was going to create endless problems and challenges. That said, I think allowing the exemption based on religious grounds was dangerous and stupid. What happens when the religious views become more extreme? How do you expect to respect only Christian based beliefs on abortion and not the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, etc.? Don't get me wrong, I know the court will find a way with people like Scalia and Thomas up there since the law and constitution always takes a back seat to their own specific religious ideology. Let's be real, this was a political stand by Hobby Lobby anyway, not one based on any kind of religious principle. They send hundreds of millions of dollars to a country that funds and encourages abortions and infanticide to control population growth. China is a communist country, so most of the money spent over there goes directly to the government that enforces those policies. How on earth can you reconcile that with your beliefs if a plan B pill disturbs you that much? I have also heard that they invest in the companies whose birth control devices they find so objectionable. Their religious principle ends where the cash flow begins, and that should not be specifically honored by any person or any court.

Ha, well if you want to come to Missouri, i can show you some rural areas where you will find people living off the system and not working just the same. I can also introduce you to my uncles who are farmers. They are conservative and like to complain about people on welfare, meanwhile their entire crop and most of their equipment are subsidized by the government. I can introduce you to my conservative friend who works for Boeing who laments government assistance..........unless it is a defense contract that is (necessary or not). I always found it amusing to listen to patients there who had chronic lifestyle illnesses talk about how everyone else is bankrupting the country. No self awareness whatsoever. Everyone takes whether they choose to acknowledge it or not. What is a handout anyway? To me, it sounds more and more like something that someone else gets but you don't. Is it a mortgage interest deduction? Free education for kids? Utility tax rebates for seniors? A tax credit for an electric vehicle? Farm subsidies? Etc. etc. if those aren't handouts, why not? I personally had 2013 tax credits/deductions that totaled more than a fulltime minimum wage worker makes in a year, how could I begrudge them the opportunity for health care?

You are right, our system is extremely flawed, but I would be blaming the government, politicians, hospitals and insurance companies before i would blame poor people for being allowed care. I would submit that more waste/fraud has been perpetrated by healthcare institutions than any poor people actually seeking care. I think the most telling problem lies in that you and many others didn't worry about the flaws until you were a victim of them yourself. When it was other people who were denied coverage or couldn't afford it, it was, and still is ok, but when it hits you personally, it is untenable. The system has been flawed for a lot of people for a long time. Consider yourself fortunate that it took this long to get to you.

Do you really think that basing your entire opinion on one experience is sound? How many people even have 10 kids? As far as paying for other people, everyone takes from the system. People always like to look at what other people take, but rarely examine or give up what they take themselves. Self awareness is not a strong point of our country.

No need to apologize, you have your views, other people have theirs. Your heightened defensiveness, and your recurring use of the terms liberal and progressive with a negative connotation made me feel like you really wanted to argue the point and were trying to get someone to bite. If I was wrong, I was wrong. As far as unions go, I think I would prefer to work in a union hospital for the sake of patient safety and my license. I saw far too many unsafe situations during my clinical rotations, and most of them could have been alleviated with proper staffing. Waste should always be controlled, but profit motivation should never be a reason to skimp on a patient's safety. Reading PMFB's post, what I heard was someone who just wanted to be allowed to do their job safely and without any other unnecessary issues like religion or politics interfering with things. My ideal political philosophy is libertarian btw, but I acknowledge that the system is rigged so I do not begrudge people on the lower end taking measures to try and correct the current imbalance for themselves.

No, not just on the surface, it is logical. Do you hate every patient because of one that was horrible? You are the one who is adding something that wasn't said, and that is solely on you and your blanket assumptions about people. Whether PMFB is liberal or not, you don't know them and they didn't say anything "liberal". You were looking for someone to pick an argument with plain and simple.

How is what PMFB said liberal in any way? They simply just said that they don't hate all unions because there happens to be some bad ones. Sounds logical to me.

That is so sweet, it made me tear up :) I don't know what I did or said to deserve that, but you just made my day! Thank you :)