Nybon Nursing School Under Investigation

I finished my LPN-RN program from Carleen Health Institute. I took the NCLEX under New York state board and passed the exam. I'd been waiting on the license a couple of weeks and decided to call NYbon, was told the school is under review - hence they would not be issuing any licenses till the review is done. They also wouldn't give a time frame. Does anyone have any idea how long these reviews usually take or what could be done in situations like this?

starr2022 said:

the reason why NYS is taking such precaustions is becuase it is important that those having professional licenses to take care of someone has the proper training  and education. It may be frustarting for a state to take such precaustions put place to  blame is FLorida BON for not ensuring all their states schools are complying not just on a state level but on a national level and the people running these schools who were  so money hungry that they decided to do fraudulent things. 

so now NYS has decided that we will only accept a nursing school if florida DOH has a school listed as being Accreddited( national compliance). If the school is listed as just being  Approved( only good for the state it is located in).

I also feel as though if other states didn't give a limited amout of times to take the test people wouldn't have to come to NYS that has unlimited test taking just to get a license to endorse it back to the state they want to actually work in

This is sad news for those of us who are waiting in limbo having pased the NCLEX already. Most of us are from schools that are on the approved list. Does that mean that NYBON will not accept our educations and it's only a matter of time before they give us notice saying so or is this for new applications going forward? When I submitted my application back in 2020, my school was on the approved list. As of now, the program is closed but long after I graduated. Will NYBON take also take this into consideration? NYBON should try to do more for those that passed already as priority. I am continuing to pray for a positive outcome.

UnitedNurse23 said:

@starr2022

I don't know in which part of the RN license process  you are in right now,just want to clarify...

I decided to ignore her comment.  unitednurse23 do what you have to do to get your license back. 

I have contacted a friend that is a media reporter and shared our experience, they liked the idea of elaborating an article showing the affect of the scam on "Real" Nurses and the struggle that they are facing. He also mentioned to gather nurses to make a representation stronger.

Please share your thoughts and experiences so far as we should unite for this cause.

Specializes in oncology.
UnitedNurse23 said:

I have contacted a friend that is a media reporter and shared our experience,

Your view point needs to be so available that it is "screeching"  with what has happened to you.  Florida is a state that favors Business owners that proposed to teach our future Health care students  to be RN students to with online learning  and faculty help when available.    These schools  have business owners (neither qualified or unqualified) to teach nursing.  The student needs to be able  to teach themselves, complete  a couple online tests along the way (may be open book or sources)  just gotta get through the tests to be approved for the Exit exam. 

Please stress that an EXIT Exam  is required for these Florida  schools  and if a student doesn't pass they cannot move forward. They are not eligible for graduation. I believe a school only employs the EXIT exam to keep their NCLEX numbers up. 

 In Florida : This is a MOST important for delaying these  students from taking the NCLEX.   The FBON stats for passing or failing only count for those that took the NCLEX  in the first 6 months after graduation. And if those were their star students?

Paul Hosty said:

I decided to ignore her comment.  unitednurse23 do what you have to do to get your license back.

I am being honest on whats going on. if you don't like that then say that. like I have stated before a school being "Approved" is on for that state it is located in . NYS BON is looking to accept schools that are " Accredited " which mean good on a National level. this was a decision they made because of the 28 schools they have under review 26 of them are from florida and would rather take a careful review of all Florida schools because of this.

There is a problem here in that the individuals saying their school was "Approved" do not seem to understand the difference between "Approved" and "Accredited". They are two very distinct designations.

"Approved" schools are typically only approved by the state they operate in - which is why Missouri and Louisiana were known as diploma mills for so many years. (Lots of "approved" schools set up in home offices, for example.) Essentially, "approval" means nothing beyond the state's boundaries without national accreditation by a recognized accreditation body. Often, it simply means that they paid the business licensing fees for setting up a business - and not much more. Unfortunately, "approved" schools are typically proprietary schools who slap that name on their program to bring in more customers.

"Accredited" means that the school took the additional steps to ensure that their programs would be accepted at a national level. This involves not only the quality of the programs but the faculty qualifications, the school's financial stability, number of graduates who find work in the field after graduation, and more. It is time-consuming and not inexpensive for a school to take these steps - BUT - it ensures that the school's graduates do not go through what many of you are now experiencing.

In other words, your school's "Approval" from Florida doesn't mean much unless you plan on only working in Florida. It also means you will have a very difficult time transferring to regionally-accredited universities for a BSN or higher degree - since they will typically only accept regionally-accredited school's transfer credits. It will particularly be a problem even if you do get licensed in NY since NY has a "BSN-in-10" regulation that says that RNs must earn a BSN within 10 years of initial licensure.

BTW, a school is also only placed on probationary status after at least three years (I believe) of low NCLEX pass rates of its graduates. If the NCLEX scores are terribly low, then it understandably calls the quality of the entire program into question - even if some students do successfully complete the NCLEX. Which is why the NY BON is now reviewing the schools as a whole and, I am guessing, withholding licenses until that review is complete.

I do wish you all the best of luck - however, saying your school was "approved" simply doesn't mean much outside of the state it is located in.

Idealista said:

There is a problem here in that the individuals saying their school was "Approved" do not seem to understand the difference between "Approved" and "Accredited". They are two very distinct designations.

"Approved" schools are typically only approved by the state they operate in - which is why Missouri and Louisiana were known as diploma mills for so many years. (Lots of "approved" schools set up in home offices, for example.) Essentially, "approval" means nothing beyond the state's boundaries without national accreditation by a recognized accreditation body. Often, it simply means that they paid the business licensing fees for setting up a business - and not much more. Unfortunately, "approved" schools are typically proprietary schools who slap that name on their program to bring in more customers.

"Accredited" means that the school took the additional steps to ensure that their programs would be accepted at a national level. This involves not only the quality of the programs but the faculty qualifications, the school's financial stability, number of graduates who find work in the field after graduation, and more. It is time-consuming and not inexpensive for a school to take these steps - BUT - it ensures that the school's graduates do not go through what many of you are now experiencing.

In other words, your school's "Approval" from Florida doesn't mean much unless you plan on only working in Florida. It also means you will have a very difficult time transferring to regionally-accredited universities for a BSN or higher degree - since they will typically only accept regionally-accredited school's transfer credits. It will particularly be a problem even if you do get licensed in NY since NY has a "BSN-in-10" regulation that says that RNs must earn a BSN within 10 years of initial licensure.

BTW, a school is also only placed on probationary status after at least three years (I believe) of low NCLEX pass rates of its graduates. If the NCLEX scores are terribly low, then it understandably calls the quality of the entire program into question - even if some students do successfully complete the NCLEX. Which is why the NY BON is now reviewing the schools as a whole and, I am guessing, withholding licenses until that review is complete.

I do wish you all the best of luck - however, saying your school was "approved" simply doesn't mean much outside of the state it is located in.

I have to agree, this is very true. ALSO what @starr2022 said. People need to understand the difference and not take there angry out on people stating the truth. Direct angry to the board. It is important to look into the school your attending before it cause u long term stress. Getting a license in one state dosent mean NYBON will grant you one since they have put a new law in place; and too many people living in NY going to these out of state schools raising a red flag. Be gland its on hold and have they taken back license like other states. What good is it to have a license with NYBON to later being revoked. They are still deciding what to do with the schools that did fraud.  I know its hard to be patient but it's just something u have to do. Also NYBon is know for taking long it could take a year or more.I wish everyone the best 

Specializes in oncology.
Idealista said:

"Approval" from Florida doesn't mean much unless you plan on only working in Florida. I

In Florida, I the FBON looks at the entire curriculum but after that  review is done, the Florida DOE has control over the continuing improvement of the schools. 

Idealista said:

"Accredited" means that the school took the additional steps to ensure that their programs would be accepted at a national level.

With National  it means you can get loans for your education like, Corinthian, ITT tech or the recent schools that went bottoms up, I do not say bankrupt because the Owners, CEOs all stuffed their wallets until it was inevitable the school corporations did not provide enough for greedy investors.

Idealista said:

"Accredited" means that the school took the additional steps to ensure that their programs. This involves not only the quality of the programs but the faculty qualifications, the school's financial stability, number of graduates who find work in the field after graduation, and more. It is time-consuming and not inexpensive for a school to take these steps - BUT - it ensures that the school's graduates do not go through what many of you are now experiencing.

You are getting Programmatic accreditation confused with national accreditation.. Program accreditations does a deep dive into EVERYTHING about an institution....money coming in AND going out, the soundness of the curriculum, graduate data, faculty credentials, DEAN credentials. How the college contributes to the students and community welfare. So much more. 

Specializes in oncology.

Wrong attribution for quote. My apologies.

londonflo said:

How is this different from setting up in a strip mall? You gotta tell me.  

You'd have to tell me. I'm not sure there is a big difference.

londonflo said:

How is this different from setting up in a strip mall? You gotta tell me. 

Thats is not my post. Please read carefully. Because I never stated anything about where a school is set up.

londonflo said:

You are getting Programmatic accreditation confused with national accreditation.. Program accreditations does a deep dive into EVERYTHING about an institution....money coming in AND going out, the soundness of the curriculum, graduate data, faculty credentials, DEAN credentials. How the college contributes to the students and community welfare. So much more. 

I was drawing a big picture difference... but you are right - programmatic accreditation is different and more in-depth and is the accreditation that the majority of nursing programs aspire to. National accreditation is a step above "state approved" and a step below programmatic accreditation...although many schools have both. There is also regional vs. national-level accreditation, I.e. DEAC vs. WASC, etc.

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