Idealista

I am using Archer/Klimek and various other sources to prepare for the NCLEX. My scores on NextGen questions are ALWAYS 30% higher than my peers compared to the classic questions. Basically, all of the information seems to be there just waiting for you to evaluate it - which is, of course - the point. People need to relax about NextGen - they are actually pretty entertaining! It's like being presented with a puzzle and trying to figure out how to pull at the pieces together. (And I don't even LIKE puzzles.. ?)

Considering my answer further - why would analyzing students individually make sense from any BON perspective? Even if a student attended clinicals and classes - if the school pass rate was so poor for three years running as to put the school below the NCLEX national 80% pass rate level - it wouldn't matter how good an individual student was. That's one reason schools are closed! Also, if a school was closed because of fraud, that would speak to its quality as well. If a school does not meet pass rate standards - it doesn't matter what an individual student achieved. It will be assumed that their education was sub-standard to nursing practice standards. If a school was closed because students were buying their credentials, then how is any BON able to judge whether a student had the hands-on, clinical hours necessary to practice safely? They may be analyzing individual students - but it will take a long time and I'm still not sure they would be able to determine the true quality of a now-closed school's curriculum. They can't just take the student's word for it. It would have to be able to be objectively proven that the education (in this case) met or exceeded NY's educational standards. Considering my answer further - why would analyzing students individually make sense from any BON perspective? Even if a student attended clinicals and classes - if the school pass rate was so poor for three years running as to put the school below the NCLEX national 80% pass rate level - it wouldn't matter how good an individual student was. That's one reason schools are closed! Also, if a school was closed because of fraud, that would speak to its quality as well. If a school does not meet pass rate standards - it doesn't matter what an individual student achieved. It will be assumed that their education was sub-standard to nursing practice standards. If a school was closed because students were buying their credentials, then how is any BON able to judge whether a student had the hands-on, clinical hours necessary to practice safely? They may be analyzing individual students - but it will take a long time and I'm still not sure they would be able to determine the true quality of a now-closed school's curriculum. They can't just take the student's word for it. It would have to be able to be objectively proven that the education (in this case) met or exceeded NY's educational standards.

@Laura Reyna As I pointed out to you in my reply to the same question - that article (PDF link) says nothing about "analyzing every applicant" - at all. That document is simply an initial emergency resolution that allows the NYBON to look at the curriculum of schools and decide whether they will be accepted or not. The resolution is expected to be extended in July and August and then made permanent in September. Individual students are not addressed at all. I understand your worry, concern and frustration. But continuing to ask the same question over and over isn't going to change the answer. As @NRSKarenRN has pointed out: "Expect months to get any resolution." You need to prepare for the idea that your nursing license may not ever happen in NY. That if your school was closed, the degrees - even if legitimate - may never be accepted by some BONs. I don't know when you graduated - but - it may be best to try and keep your skills sharp by volunteering or working in a lower-level healthcare role for now. I don't know where you are living, but returning to Florida - if it is possible to sit for the NCLEX there - may be the best solution. You won't be able to practice in NY - but at least you will be practicing.

Hi Reyna Laura I went to school in California and now live in NY where I applied to take the NCLEX. If you read the linked article carefully, you will see that it doesn't use the word "student" anywhere in it. This document is an emergency resolution to give the BON in NY the power to reject applications from students who graduated from programs that do not meet the rigor and standards of NY schools. Previously, they accepted students from approved schools in other states under the assumption that their standards would be equal to NY's. The Florida scandal changed all that. They can no longer make the assumption that one state's schools are as closely monitored as NY's. (If nothing else, the Florida Board of Nursing should be thoroughly and completely embarrassed. They let students down completely.) NY is now dealing with those students who sneaked in with the loophole and simply paid for their diplomas and transcripts. However, there is nothing in this document about evaluating individual students for suitability to sit the NCLEX. It is focused on schools and is expected now to be made a permanent rule after September. If they determine a school does not meet NY standards, then they will not have to deal with individual students, but rather just blacklist the school and any of its graduates. It took almost three months to get my ATT, but from other threads, you can see that NY is simply glacially slow at administering/processing these applications.

If you look at the Application Status chart on the NY BON site - it states clearly that in-state schools are processed in 1 day...which is what happened with your application. I waited 3 months since I was an out-of-state graduate. Have you considered that perhaps with the staff shortages and churn there that they weren't "lying". New staff, uninformed or not understanding your situation, perhaps. It would not be to their benefit to "lie" to you. There would be no point - especially since as an in-state student your application was processed within 3 days. Things are very difficult there right now. A little compassion and understanding might be considered. I wish you well on your nursing journey!

Just curious if you graduated from a school in New York or out-of-state? The timeline you received your ATT on is the usual time frame for in-state schools...

On May 1 Nova Scotia created a fast-track to RN licensure registration called "First in Canada". You need an unencumbered license and criminal background check from one of 7 countries- one of them is the U.S. The NSCN is cutting the registration process from weeks/months to days. You no longer need a lengthy credentials process or to go through the NNS. You can apply directly to the NSCN through an online portal for applications. https://www.nscn.ca/registration-licensing/first-time-registering-nova-scotia/international-nurse-not-currently-licensed-canada As a U.S. citizen, you are eligible for a TN1 visa for work - which can be applied for at the border. This ability to work is allowed across borders for Canadian. U.S. and Mexican citizens under NAFTA. There is paperwork that must be provided to Canadian Border personnel, but this is done frequently in both directions. Hope this is useful

That is amazing! Massive congratulations and good luck!

Hi nurse0421 - Yes, I had graduated a while back. I'm afraid it's definitely going to take some time for you to get yours. If you read back through this thread, you will see that the average time to get an ATT or even a straight endorsement from state to another is around 80+ days after ALL the information is submitted. Foreign nurses can take up to a year. Have you thought about applying through another state? You can still sit the NCLEX in NY (or wherever you are). Then it becomes an "licensure by endorsement". In other words, apply in another state and endorse over. It seems that what many nurses do when confronted with impossibly long app processes when trying to get an ATT. In the meantime, you will be licensed and can work in the state you applied to. It will still take time in NY, but you won't feel like you are hanging on tenterhooks.

I submitted all my paperwork on March 29th, California school submitted certification three days later. I received my ATT on June 19th.

If people actually committed criminal fraud - and it seems in some cases that is what happened (how could you think that handing over $17,000 and not attending classes was a legit way of becoming nurse???) - then they will find getting a nursing license a hard row. Fraud is one of the things absolutely looked at negatively by every Board of Nursing. If it is prosecuted criminally and as a felony, it will be reported to the FBI. Since most healthcare agencies who accept Medicare must do an FBI background check before they hire someone - most healthcare agencies won't touch them. And that is even if they manage to talk the Board into giving them a license in the first place. One of the things I read recently here really "stuck". Once a license is lost, it can be straightforward to get it back. (I don't think it's probably "easy" - but at least it is straightforward apparently and people do get licenses restored.) BUT - with a record they won't be able to find work easily. America is not a land that believes in restorative justice. BONs believe in their version of justice and have the power to impose it with little recourse for the nurse affected.

In NY, professional licensure is handled by the Department of Education, not directly by the Board of Nursing. That Department has over 50 professions other than nursing that it is verifying education and application documents for. I have heard that the staffing crunch is severe with (last I read) something like 36-40 people responsible for this flow and moving applicants through the system. Although "moving" seems like a funny word given the pace, the BON application process is only one of dozens all handled by the same group of individuals. An audit report in 2016/17 did not address this application process specifically, but the report outlines how even disciplinary cases are horribly backed up. A follow-up report in 2019 showed that while some things had improved, much had not. (I found these documents because I was frustrated with the delay and wanted to understand more about their internal processes. Audit reports are public information available on their website.) Interestingly, much of the audits were about disciplinary cases - and little was made of the application process or wait times... ? So - frustrating as it is - and especially considering how much could be done to improve this process - for now, it is what it is. State Education Department Oversight of Nurse Licensing - sga-2017-16s83.pdf

@canegirlrn Once they change the date (to May 10, for instance) - it can stay on that date for weeks. It is supposedly updated every Thursday, but I know it stayed on March 9 for a month and the same with March 29th. It was stuck on March 29th for over a month. I did email them, as they suggested, at 10 weeks,mentioning that this was my first inquiry. I never got a response. Apparently, calling them can cause your application to be sent to the end of the queue (another nurse mentioned this). So, I thought it better to simply be patient. That worked. But it took 83 days....

It seems that the New York board of nursing takes almost 2.5 - 3 months on average to process an exam request application. I applied for mine on March 29 and got it on June 19. Higher in this thread someone applied and it took her 84 days just for an endorsement.. It took me 83. if you applied from an out-of-state school in May, I wouldn't be surprised to not see anything until mid to end August. Just my experience, of course. I am not affiliated with the New York board of nursing.

Hi - I applied March, 2023 and just received my ATT June 19th - a total of 83 days. What was interesting is that I was given 180 days as a validity period - when I have heard over and over that it is "usually" 90 days. I certainly don't want to wait until December to take the test - but found it odd that the range was 180 vs. 90 days..! The information about how long each state's ATT validity period is - is not easily found on the web. You would think this would be an easy list to compile - but no one has done it..that I can find... Thanks -