I hope no one objects to my joining and asking a question, but we are getting desperate. Our daughter is in nursing school in Ohio. She started at U. of Toledo and was on track to exceed the GPA required to get into nursing school there, but they changed the rules at the last minute and she just missed the mark, as she didn't have time to raise her GPA another tenth of a point.
She transferred to another school in Toledo, one connected to a hospital with a good reputation. We've discovered that at this school, any student who scores below 80 percent in ANY course more than once is kicked out of the program. We know of a student who had successfully completed all her nursing courses and only needed to pass an algebra course to graduate. She scored 79 and was told she could not graduate and would have to repeat the ENTIRE program which she had already passed.
Our daughter is in her third year of the BSN program and is in danger of a second strike that could force her back to square one. That'll be 60k of our money down the tubes. IMO it's a racket that should be investigated. I know many nurses my age who didn't have to endure this...um...stuff. The demand for nurses is at an all time high and it seems like they're making it harder than ever to achieve a degree.
Are all the nursing schools in Ohio like this? What about in other states? We're considering looking at schools in NC, as we have family there.
Does anyone have suggestions for schools that have more sane policies? We would be extremely grateful for any guidance - we don't know where to turn. Thank you for letting me vent.
[[As the student's parent, take a back seat here. A parent speaking for or interceding for a nursing student will NOT help matters.
Finally, if this truly is the OP's daughter's dream, she will find a way to make it happen. But that's the daughter's challenge, not the OP's. She's an adult now. She's in training to be a professional. Best of luck to her!!]]
You are absolutely right! Honestly my gut reaction is, she's over 21, an adult, and we cannot solve all her problems for her. We gave her the tools and the opportunity, and for whatever reason she blew it. I agree it doesn't help to blame the professors or the system. At any rate, it's on her now. If she needs a place to live while she's in school, that's fine. But the tuition wallet is closed.
My husband, though, is taking this extremely hard, even hard than I am if that's possible! Maybe it is because his parents cut him loose at 18 and he had to work and scrape his way through school. He's always worked extra hard to make sure his kids didn't have to do this. Now the money is pretty much gone and there's little to show for it except, as another poster point out, she has her general education credits done.
[[ it makes more sense to go with a different program where you can get in, get trained and start working.]]
Makes a ton of sense. But which program? I mean, it's easy to say "switch to xray tech or hospital admin" but we know nothing about the availability of jobs once the training is done. As another poster said, hospitals are laying off. If a change of direction is what's needed, we need enough information to make the right choice.
And I also heartily agree with the previous poster about taking a back seat (and you'd never catch me blaming a professor, not with several relatives in the teaching profession!!). Honestly my gut reaction is, we gave her the money and the opportunity, and she blew it. It's on her now - if she wants it bad enough, she'll do it on her own. My husband, though, is taking this extremely hard, harder than I am if that's possible to imagine. :) I guess it's because his parents cut him loose at 18 and he had to work and scrape his way through college. He worked hard to save enough money so his kids wouldn't have to do that. Right now he's in "it's the end of the world" mode and there's no talking him down.
Thanks for checking back in! I was wondering what happened. I agree that if this is the policy it is ridiculous although it really doesn't make sense to me that she wouldn't have already taken/passed her gen-ed math until the last semester. Did I read correctly? If so, are you 100% sure this is the way it went down? How old is your daughter? Has she joined here and asked for any advice or other programs in your state? I'm wondering where she is motivation-wise in this process.
If she really wants to become a nurse I wouldn't encourage her to settle for anything less. There are tons of schools that have nursing programs and it surely wouldn't be the end of the world if she has to work while going to school to help with expenses. My community college was really cheap, just over $1,000 a semester. Please keep us posted. Jules
Jules, she just turned 22. I'll definitely encourage her to join here! You've all been so great. I was pretty mad when I first posted and you guys didn't take it personally. I'm glad you didn't. :)
Things are much calmer this evening as we've all had a chance to take a deep breath and read over the advice we're getting from many encouraging folks.
I'll check back in and let you all know how it's going, and hopefully she will join as well.
I was confused at first..thought it was your daughter that had the Algebra problem. I think I have it now. As for the student needing Algebra. That is usually a 1st semester class and is needed before you are allowed to take statistics. So I'm confused still as to why she is taking it right before graduation. Perhaps it is a repeat?
As for your daughter, best bet is to get ahold of either the dean of the Nursing college OR an advisor for the nursing program. It is hard to believe that requirements were not spelled out for your daughter at the beginning of her nursing classes. But I have older children and I know that they don't always 1. Communicate the whole story or 2. Pay attention to all the details. Both in my LPN school and currently my RN school, there is no doubt about what you need to graduate. Until you know exactly what is going on, it is hard to take any action. I tried to find some information out on the website and it somewhat hints to a 3.0 average in the nursing program, so that could be why she was dropped.
Even if she can't get back into the program there...as others have hinted, this is not the end.
My daughter is extremely stressed out as the implications of getting kicked out sink in and she realizes just how far it has set her back. She's contstantly sick to her stomach and throwing up. I'm afraid for her to go back to her apartment now that the holidays are over, as she only eats when we put something in front of her.
I don't know what to do. I know I can't solve this for her but on the other hand, do I just sit back and let her sink? She is not covered by our health insurance, since she isn't a fulltime student any more, so going to the doctor to be evaluated for depression isn't an option.
Her plan is to get her LPN and go from there. She is meeting today with the dean of another nursing program here in town but I'm not holding out a lot of hope of her getting in anywhere next fall.
I urged her to join the forum her but I don't know if she has. If she does, I will probably bow out as I don't want her to think I'm cyberstalking her. :)
Thanks again for your support. This will pass, I'm sure.
My daughter is extremely stressed out as the implications of getting kicked out sink in and she realizes just how far it has set her back. She's contstantly sick to her stomach and throwing up. I'm afraid for her to go back to her apartment now that the holidays are over, as she only eats when we put something in front of her.
I don't know what to do. I know I can't solve this for her but on the other hand, do I just sit back and let her sink? She is not covered by our health insurance, since she isn't a fulltime student any more, so going to the doctor to be evaluated for depression isn't an option.
Her plan is to get her LPN and go from there. She is meeting today with the dean of another nursing program here in town but I'm not holding out a lot of hope of her getting in anywhere next fall.
I urged her to join the forum her but I don't know if she has. If she does, I will probably bow out as I don't want her to think I'm cyberstalking her.
Thanks again for your support. This will pass, I'm sure.
Keep talking to your daughter and let her know it is not the end of the world. Let her know that she is not alone and that there are so many others like her. My niece is attending a communuty college and this is her third year. Her GPA is 3.4 and she has 68 credits without starting the nursing program.
They keep letting her take courses that she don't need. So I advised her to go the LPN route, she just took the LPN entrance exam and she is very sure that she will pass. Many of the schools in NY give a good number of credits for LPN's going into the RN program. The school I attended gives 18 credits and I now have a BSN. So it is a good idea to do the LPN route.
Give your daughter all the support she needed and I wish her all the best of luck.:heartbeat:heartbeat:heartbeat
Thanks for the update. It indeed is not the end of the world. But its easy for us to say after being through life. I had a 1.34 average the first time I went to college at 17. At 46, I now have a 3.8. She still has those credits. Anything over a C will usually transfer. After she gets her LPN and works awhile, she can regroup and see about getting her RN.
As far as health insurance, check your state plans. In NY my son could get a good policy through healthy NY for about $130/mth. Just a thought.
carolan, calm down...and when the school opens back up find out what's *really* going on. I can't believe they expect your daughter to repeat the WHOLE program because of one class.
At my NS we would have to repeat the semester, not the whole program up to that point.
Btw, the lowest acceptable grade in my school was 78% and even then they could suggest you repeat the class. We had to have algebra as a PRE-REQ to the program in order to be accepted. And our math exam at the beginning of each semester had to be 100%.
Thanks for the update. Please don't let not having insurance keep her from going to seek help if you think she is suffering from depression. Wishing you both well.
The credits she has taken and passed with a C or better will transfer so know that all the work she has done won't be a waste. How many credits does she have?! I'd call a local community college and see if she can get her AD and then go for the BSN after that. That might be a better option than the LPN program as she's already taken quite a few of the RN required classes. This will also get her back on your insurance.
It will be okay. This has happened to many nurses before her. She will re-group and become a RN. This will one day be a distant memory.
Why was she thrown out of the program?! It appears she passed the class you were worried about and her average is above the requirement?! Did your daughter have any other issues?! I'd call the school tomorrow. The administrative office is prob now open and should be able to help. Good luck.
And when you fail one class usually you can just take that one again. Some schools I believe might make you take the semester again but most of what she has will transfer as long as it's a C or higher.
As for the student needing Algebra. That is usually a 1st semester class and is needed before you are allowed to take statistics. So I'm confused still as to why she is taking it right before graduation. Perhaps it is a repeat? 
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[[As the student's parent, take a back seat here. A parent speaking for or interceding for a nursing student will NOT help matters.
Finally, if this truly is the OP's daughter's dream, she will find a way to make it happen. But that's the daughter's challenge, not the OP's. She's an adult now. She's in training to be a professional. Best of luck to her!!]]
You are absolutely right! Honestly my gut reaction is, she's over 21, an adult, and we cannot solve all her problems for her. We gave her the tools and the opportunity, and for whatever reason she blew it. I agree it doesn't help to blame the professors or the system. At any rate, it's on her now. If she needs a place to live while she's in school, that's fine. But the tuition wallet is closed.
My husband, though, is taking this extremely hard, even hard than I am if that's possible! Maybe it is because his parents cut him loose at 18 and he had to work and scrape his way through school. He's always worked extra hard to make sure his kids didn't have to do this. Now the money is pretty much gone and there's little to show for it except, as another poster point out, she has her general education credits done.