WHAT is wrong with my ER??? Grrrr... - page 2
OK...major ranting about to go on here. PUH-LEEZE explain what is happening to my facility's ER. Here are just a few problems lately. We got an admit last night of a 51 year old male, N&V,... Read More
Jan 10, '03Occupation: Hospice clinical director Joined: May '02; Posts: 2,873; Likes: 26Does this really have to turn into a "trash the ED nurses" thread?
We're doing the best we can, under many times impossible conditions.
I could say horrible things about other departments, too, but it really doesn't help US as a profession. We need to have a little more understanding for each other; no nurse, no department is perfect.
Jan 10, '03Occupation: CNA Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 485; Likes: 15I wasn't complaining about the ED nurses...I was complaining about the registrar The nurses were fine. This IS a place to vent, though.
Jan 10, '03Occupation: student nurse extern Joined: Apr '01; Posts: 1,345; Likes: 12I work in the ER as a nurse extern/tech and one of the things that I see happen quite a lot is that patients who are "frequent flyers" are ignored/steriotyped etc. This happens mainly with the staff that has been there a while. An excellent example follows:
45 yo male arrived by POV with wife and brother CO severe chest pains. He stated over and over "I know it's a heart attack". They did bring him back immediately and placed him in a trauma bed. Then the nurse assigned came in, looked at me and stated "he's an attention seeker, he's fine I'm sure", and left the room. The other tech that was in there looked at me and we made the patient as comfortable as possible.
A while later his wife came out and stated that the patient has vomited so the other tech and I went in. The patient was in extreme pain, barely conscious, and had projectile vomiting. The wife stated that no one had come in to see him or done any vitals on him yet (this was an hour after he came in). I reported this to the charge and was told to move him into a cubby because they had a rig coming in with a trauma someone would be with him shortly.
The patient continued to vomit and was in and out of consciousness. I repeated told the charge about this and they still did nothing because he was an "attention seeker". As I was checking to see if he was ok (on my own and a full two hours after he had gotten to the ER) the patient started to posture and I yelled "I need help in here!!!!!!".....the patient was coding.
To make a long story short, the patient was ok and was discharged from the hospital after having a massive MI. I went to the NM with this and told her what happened. I don't know what, if anything was done, but I suspect it was a slap on the wrist. This nurse is still working there.
I have never, nor will I ever, assume that nothing is wrong when someone comes in to the ER (frequent flyer or not) and people that do are dangerous and should not be working in the healthcare field or anywhere near it!!!!!
just my two cents worth
Jan 10, '03Occupation: Nursing Faculty Specialty: 15 year(s) of experience in Trauma,ER,CCU/OHU/Nsg Ed/Nsg Research ; From: US ; Joined: May '02; Posts: 8,317; Likes: 6,285Sometimes I'm thankful to have a patient with "nothing" wrong with them as opposed to 8 or 9 with high accuity. Less work to do with them.
Jan 10, '03Joined: Jan '03; Posts: 299; Likes: 5Originally posted by fab4fan
Does this really have to turn into a "trash the ED nurses" thread?
I appreciate what goes on out there. Really, I do. And thank you so much for having the stamina to work in sometimes unbearable conditions!
~SallyLast edit by Sally_ICURN on Jan 10, '03
Jan 10, '03Occupation: RN in Quality Dept/Case Mgt Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 447; Likes: 20You guys are correct.... no one here is trashing the ER nurses....You who work in the ER deserve an award. I think we could really develop a mutual admiration society here, b/c we who work med-surg say "I couldn't work ER!" (Or OB or....etc.) Those who work ER say, "I couldn't work Med-Surg!" So we all have our areas we feel as a comfort zone, or love working.
We have some AWESOME ER nurses at my hospital. Some of the MD's just ...well....what can I say.
Case in point (personal): I went to ER several months ago w pyelonephritis and bronchitis, dehydration, nausea/vomiting. The ER MD gave me *NO* IVF or ATB....just po tylenol and Bactrim and d/c me. The ER RN was scared and kept telling me to BE SURE to come back if I wasn't better in a few hours.
ITSJUSTMEZOE: *THANK YOU* for the love! I could feel your hugzz thro the computer!!! Vent on me anytime, sweetie! :kiss
Jan 10, '03Occupation: RN Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 2,065; Likes: 48Originally posted by Flo1216
Last summer I stumbled into the ER with SEVERE abdominal pain. I was greeted by the registrar who rolled her eyes and me and told the security guard he shouldn't have opened the door, as if I were bothering her. She then took my insurance info and sent me into the waiting room for an hour where I ran back and forth to the bathroom evacuating from both ends. I almost passed out. I never saw a nurse or anything or even had my vitals taken. Also I was the only one in the waiting room.I could have collapsed and no one would have known. I don't know where the securty guard went. Once the nurse came in and got me(an hour later), everything was fine and I was treated appropriately. My question is, why is the registrar my initial encounter? In the ER where I work, pts sign in and then the nurse calls them , does vitals , etc. Is this common practice? What if I had a ruptured appendix or something and based on the registrar's asessment I am sent to the waiting room to die? It was weird.
And there are some bad ER's...the hosp a few miles down the road is constantly telling pt's that the wait is long why don't they just come on down to ________ Hospital.....turned away a chest pain like that once....was a full blown MI!...so it does happen.
Well, having said all this l will say that l think ER nurses and ER nursing is the least understood specialties out there, by public and other nurses........we are a "different'' breed....and ER nursing is a strange animal.
Jan 11, '03Occupation: travel nurse - ob Specialty: OB ; Joined: Jul '01; Posts: 3,170; Likes: 4,503This is not a story to trash an ER - except maybe the doc in question who was obviously too busy to do an assessment. A girl came into our hospital ER after visiting the ER in a neighboring county. She had gone with a complaint of severe abd. pain (red flag anyone?) Doc there had ordered a urinalysis and c&s and given her a prescription for antibiotics. When her distress became worse, her parents brought her to us. The ER nurse at our hospital could spot 'em from across the parking lot and sent her directly to our unit. Later that night we were able to call the other hospital and tell them that their UTI weighed 7 pounds!
Jan 11, '03Occupation: CNA Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 485; Likes: 15Wow...I didn't know that. The registrar is in a separate room that you cannot see into, like it is separate from the ER so yeah it was just me and the registrar. And as she was taking my insurance info, I told her I was going to throw up and she goes, " Oh, no don't do that," So I did. All over the floor.
Jan 11, '03Occupation: Full time student Joined: Nov '02; Posts: 758; Likes: 2Good for you Flo! Too bad it wasn't over her shoes.
I had volunteered at the ED of one of our hospitals and when people would come through the doors, we would go to them and ask if they were experiencing any chest pain, SOB, etc. We would have a wheelchair for them to sit in and then would bring the patient immediately to the attention of the triage nurse. Others who came in not in outward distress would be given the necessary paperwork and then they would be seen by the triage nurses and directed to either the main ER waiting room or the Fast track waiting room in which we would direct them, many times accompanying them.
Any ins. info etc. would be taken after they have been given a bed in the ER.
Jan 11, '03Occupation: Medicare claims review for major insurance company Specialty: 30 year(s) of experience in telemetry, case management ; From: US ; Joined: Oct '02; Posts: 1,176; Likes: 760My daughter went to the ER with pyelonephritis. They wanted to treat her for meningitis???? She called me to come and talk to the dr. (She was barely 18). The ER dr. got sh***y with me and told me basically that he was THE dr. on call and what HE said went. Well, a lumbar puncture on a kid with no symptoms is not what I think of as necessary. (No head/neck pain, full ROM of neck, pain in mid to lower back, fever, frequency and pain with urination -HELLO!). I informed him he MIGHT be the only doc in that ER but he wasn't the only one in the metro area and went to another ER.
There she was triaged by a nurse first, then sent ME to register. She was in an ER bed within forty five minutes, being given ABT within an hour and a half, and bookoo demerol within two hours for kidney stones.
Moral of the story, some places truly do have idiots working in the ER. Just like any other facility, ER's are not perfect. I felt fortunate that I knew enough and felt enough confidence to take her on to another facility. What about the other people who think the dr. knows everything? I know most of us try to do the best we can for our patients, but some people REALLY ought to be in a different profession.
BTW, the first ER doc was known to me. He sent my 14 year old stepson home with 50 mg Phenergan q4h around the clock, see your PCP in the am. He had a ruptured appendix and spent eight days in the hospital, because my husband believed the doc and not me. I took the kid straight back to the ER and told them not to let that fool near us, to call someone else. This was eight years ago and he's still in there doing stupid stuff. He also had the gall to send a bill for his services (*****) while the kid was still admitted. I made a impassioned speech in his waiting room when I presented the bill back to them. He did not get paid and did not send any more bills either.
Jan 20, '03Joined: Jun '01; Posts: 10,069; Likes: 8,408HoooRAAAHHHHH KaroSnowQueen! I wouldn't have paid the jerk either. I've also had to take my kids to another facility when the ED doc made the wrong call. My daughter broke her elbow (medial supracondylar #) and was told, based on lateral view x-rays that there was no #, then sent home with instructions to take Tylenol if it still hurt. Four tearfilled days later, guess what... ecchymosis on the opposite side of the joint, grossly obvious edema, no sensation to half her hand and intense pain. Mom to the rescue... we went to a sports medicine center, I insisted on multiple views on x-ray and we left with T3's, a knuckes-to-axilla cast and an appointment with ortho. In the end she needed surgery on the tendons due to trauma and is still disabled. The first ED she went to got a nasty letter and no money.
Oct 22, '03Occupation: ER Nurse Joined: Oct '03; Posts: 8Yup, ER suck, especially from the point of view of all you "experts" who are complaining here.
SO...try the ER for a shift or two. Attempt to triage the real emergencies from the drug seekers, those who want a work slip, and the "social admits" which we fondlly refer to as "pop drops" or "positive taillight signs" . Or from the mother who is upset becuase she has to deal with "just a nurse" and screams her "baby" is burning up with fever, but didn't bother to buy a therometer. Yup, just a nurse, but I'm smart enough to take a temp, hun.Or the elderly who take a zillion meds but cant be bothered to write them down or remember them because "you must have a record here someplace" or "you can call my doctor. He should know." Or take the blame because lab, or Xray, or whatever is swamped and can't do STAT on everyone and you haveta wait for your tests. Want a forum? How about "stupid floor nurse tricks" or "using the ER for primary care because I was too stupid to find a real doc" or "Primary care physicians who send their patients to ER to have all their tests run before being admitted because its easier than me having to actually come in and see the patient". Sure is nice hearing from all you ER experts. Yup. Sure is.