Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

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chadash

Specializes in Nursing assistant. 1 Article; 1,429 Posts

Wow, so we can cure hypochondria too? How exciting. We'll just add it to the list found here (and it's an old list):

http://consensus.nih.gov/1997/1997Acupuncture107html.htm

BTW, I rarely talk about the ability to "cure". My post didn't mention the word. Oh, and it's spelled "acupuncture".

There was something on our local station tonight about veterinarians using acupuncture (aka puppypuncture) and it occured to me that it would be very difficult to see a placebo affect on animals. That would be a great way to get some data on its effectiveness.

(thanks for spelling it for us, I always want to add more 'c's

fritzer

fritzer

10 Posts

Consider that maybe you have other ways of knowing as a nurse sometimes called intuition, gut feeling, second sense, or you just don't like a person, or do but can't put your finger on it. I defended the energy field concept for my graduate comprehensive exam to educate myself and to exhausitively come to a decision on this issue. I will not attempt to dissuade nay sayers but electrical and energy fields exist in the surrounding environment and we are influenced in many ways by them i.e xray, electrical poles/lines, heat, blah bla....

SFCardiacRN

SFCardiacRN

762 Posts

Many techniques are able to help the mind cope with disease process. The problem is too many pseudo-healers make grandiose claims of being able to affect the disease process. If people want to plunk down money chasing mystical cures that is their business. It chaffs me when the nursing profession is "hijacked" to legitimize the bogus claims.

Retired R.N.

Retired R.N.

260 Posts

We really must push for physics in nursing school. Go stand near a high tension wire and keep repeating, "I really don't feel this...I really don't feel this!"

Yes, there are electrical fields around high tension wires. These fields can be objectively measured by tools in common use.

Retired R.N.

Retired R.N.

260 Posts

Consider that maybe you have other ways of knowing as a nurse sometimes called intuition, gut feeling, second sense, or you just don't like a person, or do but can't put your finger on it. I defended the energy field concept for my graduate comprehensive exam to educate myself and to exhausitively come to a decision on this issue. I will not attempt to dissuade nay sayers but electrical and energy fields exist in the surrounding environment and we are influenced in many ways by them i.e xray, electrical poles/lines, heat, blah bla....

X-ray, electricity, heat, light, and other forms of energy can be objectively measured. Scientists agree on the definitions of terms like volts, watts, ergs, coulombs, ergs, lumens, emf, etc., and they base their opinions on repeatable experiments.

Josh L.Ac.

Josh L.Ac.

Specializes in Pain Management. 353 Posts

Many techniques are able to help the mind cope with disease process. The problem is too many pseudo-healers make grandiose claims of being able to affect the disease process. If people want to plunk down money chasing mystical cures that is their business. It chaffs me when the nursing profession is "hijacked" to legitimize the bogus claims.

Are you saying acupuncture fits into this category, or were you referring to other modalities?

There was something on our local station tonight about veterinarians using acupuncture (aka puppypuncture) and it occured to me that it would be very difficult to see a placebo affect on animals. That would be a great way to get some data on its effectiveness.

(thanks for spelling it for us, I always want to add more 'c's

It took until halfway through my first quarter of acupuncture school before I dropped the second "c".

Vet acupuncture is a funny thing...depending on the state, to perform acupuncture on an animal requires that you are a vet (7 years) and an acupuncturist (4 year master's degree). Anyway, I've seen it done, and it is amazing how quickly the animals calm down. For me, it was like watching a near car accident; it looks like there is the possibility of something catastrophic is going to occur, but then everything is fine.

As for animal models for research, they aren't used as much as they used to be, although some studies in China use animal models.

Retired R.N.

Retired R.N.

260 Posts

Many techniques are able to help the mind cope with disease process. The problem is too many pseudo-healers make grandiose claims of being able to affect the disease process. If people want to plunk down money chasing mystical cures that is their business. It chaffs me when the nursing profession is "hijacked" to legitimize the bogus claims.

I agree!

I have been spending many hours lately running down references to alternative health care practices, and find that they encompass many theories from a variety of sources. All the way from sacred religious beliefs through outright quackery.

I can understand the difficult position of a student enrolled in a degree-granting institution who finds it politically correct to agree with the beliefs of his or her instructor(s) if (s)he wants to obtain that degree. When I went to school, the principle was known as, "Go along to get along," and "Cooperate and Graduate!" Learning how much of their own money some of the advocates of some of these alternative theories have invested makes it easier for me to understand why they might be so reluctant to admit that they had been indoctrinated in a belief that so many other people reject.

Until someone can explain to me just how this mysterious energy field surrounding a person is measured, I find it extremely difficult to accept any emotional rationale for the advocates of Therapeutic Touch claiming that one can "adjust" it, but only after completing a very expensive course of instruction, and under the supervision of similarly expensively trained instructors. Unless, of course, the whole thing is a religious affair, in which case, I ask if the governing board of NANDA were (self-?)hypnotized into thinking they were qualified to advise.

zenman

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I don't see these as a failure of western medicine.

In hospitals, we see the worst of the worst but our rising life expectancy is proof of the efficacy of western medicine.

Go to the World Health Organization web site and get educated...please!

zenman

2 Articles; 2,806 Posts

I am well aware of the disease that can only be cured by accupuncture and herbals. It is called hypochondria.

The severe pain I once...notice the word "once" experience in both elbows due to tennis and golfer's elbow for over a year was knocked out completely in two sessions by a family trained Korean acupuncturist who was in the US going back through acupuncture school here in order to be able to pass US exams. Many of the ex-hypochrondriacs...I mean ex-patients, at the clinic returned as students.

zenman

2 Articles; 2,806 Posts

Many techniques are able to help the mind cope with disease process. The problem is too many pseudo-healers make grandiose claims of being able to affect the disease process. If people want to plunk down money chasing mystical cures that is their business. It chaffs me when the nursing profession is "hijacked" to legitimize the bogus claims.

There are snake oil salesmen everywhere...many of them you'll see in the hospital with donuts and coffee for the physicians! It's easy to affect the disease process when you realize the power of the mind.

zenman

2 Articles; 2,806 Posts

Yes, there are electrical fields around high tension wires. These fields can be objectively measured by tools in common use.

Perhaps Josh will elaborate on how long ago acupupuncture points were objectively measured by machines. I really hate to see machines brought into the picture...so mechanistic and no art at all...plus what do you do when the electricity goes out! All practitioners of medicine should be able to parachute into a jungle village with nothing but a loincloth and get to work, IMHO. Western medicine...electricity goes out...no medicine!:crying2:

zenman

2 Articles; 2,806 Posts

until someone can explain to me just how this mysterious energy field surrounding a person is measured

let me tease you a while longer first, lol!

i find it extremely difficult to accept any emotional rationale for the advocates of therapeutic touch claiming that one can "adjust" it, but only after completing a very expensive course of instruction,

i don't do t.t. but do you want to learn, right here...no money down...i mean you just can't go wrong with this one time offer...learn to feel and adjust the energy field of other people! all you have to do...is respond to this post with the code "ok" and you will be on your way! let me know asap!!

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