Come to America to Have your Baby!!

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(The link to this article doesnt work, type 'medicaid' in the search engine and the article is 'Delivering Dual Benefits')

A couple excerpts from the article:

One of the most controversial aspects of coverage has been prenatal care. In 1989, California passed a law guaranteeing prenatal care to all impoverished women, with the state footing the bill. Last year, it began to tap federal funds dedicated to healthcare for working families, under the theory that the fetus would ultimately be an American child. Some other states have done the same

In Los Angeles County's public and private hospitals, undocumented women accounted for 41,240 Medi-Cal births in 2004, roughly half the deliveries covered by the public program.

Specializes in Critical Care.

I think the open border IS a potential terrorist threat, but that is a consequence of us allowing our borders to be a sieve, NOT because of the masses that come here seeking defacto refugee status.

A woman 9 month's pregnant sneaking across the AZ desert ISN'T trying to create a terrorist. She's trying to make a better life for herself and her child. THIS I can understand.

I can even sympathize.

But that doesn't justify her 'cutting in line' of the THOUSANDS that fairly engage the legal process. AND, it doesn't justify the immoral economic slavery that results. The ONLY reason that woman is able to sneak across that border is because of an immoral system that we've created.

Make no mistake: WE created this underclass for our own political purposes. For liberals, it is in line with socialist ideas that say NOBODY, not even America, deserves to be rich, and such wealth should be undermined, or at least redistributed, at every chance. For conservatives, it's about the cost of labor, and THAT price should be undermined at every chance.

You have to wonder, don't you, how BOTH lines of thought can be accomplished by the same goal?

~faith,

Timothy.

findlaw:

after noting that the due process clause, by reason of its operation upon “all the powers of government, legislative as well as executive and judicial,” could not be appraised solely in terms of the “sanction of settled usage,” justice mathews, speaking for the court in hurtado v. california,40 declared that “[a]rbitrary power, enforcing its edicts to the injury of the persons and property of its subjects, is not law, whether manifested as the decree of a personal monarch or of an impersonal multitude. and the limitations imposed by our constitutional law upon the action of the governments, both state and national, are essential to the preservation of public and private rights, notwithstanding the representative character of our political institutions. the enforcement of these limitations by judicial process is the device of self–governing communities to protect the rights of individuals and minorities, as well against the power of numbers, as against the violence of public agents transcending the limits of lawful authority, even when acting in the name and wielding the force of the government.”

see also:

amendment ix

the enumeration in the constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

It saddens me to think that you are witness to these children's births, if you honestly believe (and I believe you do) that they will grow up to be terrorists. You say you're a gracious hostess to your patients, but I can't imagine how that can be given this attitude. How can you talk about putting racial profiling when you tell us, in the very same sentence no less, that this a terrorism threat?

Very well stated!

I just read on the CNN Breaking News website, that Bush is in the process of making arrangements with the Mexican governmeny to begin paying Social Security Payments to illegal immigrants, who have worked here illegally for years. Go figure.

If you pay them, they will come!

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN

Spokane, Washington

3 points:

1. SS is not welfare.

2. If an immigrant worked here and paid SS taxes along with the contributions of their employer they have paid into the system. (Also to qualify for SS they would have to meet the number of quarters required to qualify.)

3. I have a feeling that if you really examine the reasons for working illegally it has much more to do with poverty and oppression in their country of origin than it does with access to public assistance.

Why is people coming in from other countries a bad thing? In case you haven't noticed birth rates in North America are down and the senior population will have a hard time being supported by working age people in the next 30-40-50 years.

I'd like to meet those of you who are american and whose ancestors DIDN'T come from another country.

If you think a little bit more, you will realize that the real issue is not so much about birth right or what country they came from; the issue here is more on like everybody here contributed to accumulate one jar of cookies then another person from out of this country suddenly appears and dips her/his hand in our cookie jar to reach for a big one.

Just by using simple common sense, everybody here knows that coming to this country to get the benefits that the tax payers work hard for is plain and simple not fair for the most of us.

But then again, if one complains about these "freeloaders", he/she will be accused of racism and be critized for commenting. Being politically correct does not help to solve this social problem. It is time to be pragmatic;let slap their hands and tell these freeloaders to stop grabbing our cookies.:madface:

You can't see the reality around you clearer if you keep denying what happening around you.

Specializes in critical care transport.
Why shouldn't that BE threatening? There is nothing wrong with retaining your native culture, only if the intent to do so is by first repudiating OUR culture, OUR laws

When you look at our previous waves of immigration, within the first home-grown generation, you see the children of immigrants trying hand over fist to adopt OUR national values, to BE Americans, in every full measure of that context.

WE are successful BECAUSE we are a melting pot. Our diversity makes us strong not because it serves to divide but because, in additive qualities, it enhances the overall culture and context of our nation. In being different, we ENHANCE our similarities.

Our national pact is a pact with each other, to each other. Those that opt out ARE dangerous in sufficient numbers. Ask Great Britain about the inherent dangers of incorporating a large minority of citizens that don't wish to assimilate into the culture. Shoot, look at our OWN homegrown terrorists of recent import: militia groups that divorced themselves from our national concept.

It is not some great moral crime for America to wish that our nation be composed primarily of those that support the bonds between us that make us great.

It is not some great moral crime to be outraged by the system that allows the dishonest manipulation of our national pact.

Many illegals come here from the South in order to embrace our dreams. Indeed, many of their children try just as hard to BE Americans. There is nothing inherently wrong with that. Creating an 'anchor baby' is not on point to fulfilling the American dream; it's taking advantage of us in order to receive benefits.

We are a nation that has embraced immigration, a so-called 'Nation of Immigrants'. But, we should do so in an orderly process. I don't necessarily disagree with your assertion that America is inherently afraid of immigrants, but we have also been overwhelmingly tolerant of immigration.

When immigration runs unchecked, however, what you get is unbalanced immigration. What WE are getting as a result of illegal immigration is a wave of uneducated immigrants ill-equipped to function in an increasingly technological society. And so, the results is that such immigration becomes a drain on our resources. Not only that, they overcompete for entry level positions meaning that our 'lower class' is being squeezed by an under-class. Remember in the coming days that the debate about minimum wage is created by the need to ensure a wage completely debased by under the table payments to illegal aliens. There IS no job that Americans won't do; there are simply jobs that Americans won't do for 3 bucks an hour.

We have created a form of economic slavery. THEY are not like us and so, do not deserve the basic employment and salary protections enshrined in our laws as basic human rights. THE only way to ensure such protections is to have some control over the process: to limit immigration to levels that allow for quick assimilation. That isn't anti-immigration; it's pro-immigration that allows for those immigrants to be successful not just by their home standards, but by OUR standards, as well.

You are claiming that our distrust of unfettered immigration is tantamount to racism. How tolerant is it for us to allow 20% plus unemployment in inner city African American communities when next door is a line of illegals just waiting to be picked up for day labor that completely undermines the ability of those inner city communities to effectively compete for the jobs that exist? How will raising the minimum wage affect a balance when the inbalance that exists is based on undermining that wage, in the first place?

~faith,

Timothy.

Yes, yes, yes!

I don't think everyone is afraid of different cultures. In fact, we have international flights to prove that we like to see other people and cultures.

Someone had said,

"No, they have a problem with people with a different culture and language than their own coming to this country in large numbers and daring to maintain their cultural identies."

Nobody cares (in general) what you do in your culture. Some might even be interested to learn about it (I have been fascinated by the middle east before this war, and have books that I have purchased on the subject for my own pleasure). If you were intelligent enough to find the means to come to this country, then you are also intelligent enough to realize that you are making a conscious "trade" of leaving your country to be a member of ours.

Let's take an example in nature.

An animal with different habits or behaviors waltzes into a new group of whatever species it belongs to.

What will happen if that new animal doesn't change its different behavior and habits to fit the group that it is in?

The animal will probably not reap the benefits of being in that group, could be killed, will possibly not mate, will be picked on mercilessly, etc.

Even animals have different temperaments and personalities can coexist, but it would be dumb to think that a strange animal could just come into that group and be "accomidated," or even more dumb- get special treatment when it's time to eat or hunt. If a group were to do those things, it could cause hardship for everyone, and probably endanger their lives.

Now I realize we are not animals (but not totally unlike them) but we do have a social structure for our "American group."

There are immigrants who come here and work hard to get upper levels of education, and I totally applaud them for it and am glad they did it. I truly admire them for it.

We don't need our country to be like the ones that people are trying to get out of.

Timothy, I completely agree with your feelings on our contributions to the problem.

I am a liberal and have no problem with anyone being rich.

I do have a problem with corporations breaking our labor laws. Health and safety, OSHA regulations, minimum wage, and hours of work laws exist here after horrid conditions.

All people are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

I just read on the CNN Breaking News website, that Bush is in the process of making arrangements with the Mexican governmeny to begin paying Social Security Payments to illegal immigrants, who have worked here illegally for years. Go figure.

If you pay them, they will come!

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN

Spokane, Washington

I wonder how they plan on doing that, since they've probably been using someone elses social security number.

Oh yeah, I guess the same way they do things now, collect the money from numerous people all using the same number, they can send me a payment to my house and also send one to Mexico to the illegal that's been using my SS number.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Geriatrics.
Why shouldn't that BE threatening? There is nothing wrong with retaining your native culture, only if the intent to do so is by first repudiating OUR culture, OUR laws

When you look at our previous waves of immigration, within the first home-grown generation, you see the children of immigrants trying hand over fist to adopt OUR national values, to BE Americans, in every full measure of that context.

And in what way precisely do Hispanic immigrants NOT adopt our national values (what are those by the way)? So they prefer to speak their native language? SO what? That is not a rejection of us, it is people speaking a first language, a language that they are comfortable speaking. WHY does that frighten you Timothy?

We have created a form of economic slavery. THEY are not like us and so, do not deserve the basic employment and salary protections enshrined in our laws as basic human rights. THE only way to ensure such protections is to have some control over the process: to limit immigration to levels that allow for quick assimilation. That isn't anti-immigration; it's pro-immigration that allows for those immigrants to be successful not just by their home standards, but by OUR standards, as well.

Well if that's your stance and the position of a few here who agree with you, then how come we don't have a topic every other week blaming the people who make this "economic slavery" possible? Aside from spacenurse on this topic, how come for the most part no one bitches about the businesses, big and small who use and create this system in which people are not ensured basic employment protections? It seems to me that THOSE are the people who are rejecting American values and who most deserve our "moral outrage."

You are claiming that our distrust of unfettered immigration is tantamount to racism.

Oh no no no no. That is not what I am claiming at all. I am claiming that unfettered or illegal immigration is the issue that people are using as a cloak to conceal and justify their racism.

How tolerant is it for us to allow 20% plus unemployment in inner city African American communities when next door is a line of illegals just waiting to be picked up for day labor that completely undermines the ability of those inner city communities to effectively compete for the jobs that exist?

~faith,

Timothy.

Ummmm, one issue does not have anything to do with the other. Unemployment in the inner city African American communities is a result of many factors, illegal immigration is the least of them. And the people who are most upset about immigrants are the same people who give less than a darn about employment in the inner city. Who do you think they blame for their problems when illegal immigrants are not in the picture? Nice try though.

Well if that's your stance and the position of a few here who agree with you, then how come we don't have a topic every other week blaming the people who make this "economic slavery" possible? Aside from spacenurse on this topic, how come for the most part no one bitches about the businesses, big and small who use and create this system in which people are not ensured basic employment protections? It seems to me that THOSE are the people who are rejecting American values and who most deserve our "moral outrage."

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Thanks for speaking the truth about justice and racism.

some interesting thoughts from the american prospect:

ice rhetoric would have you believe these deportees had been planning to apply for credit cards and charge expensive stereos or trips to the spa. the reality is that these meatpacking laborers had done what millions of people in this country do every year. they gave a social security number to their employer that either didn't belong to them, or that didn't exist. and they did it for a simple reason: to get a job in one of the dirtiest, hardest, most dangerous workplaces in america. mostly, these borrowed numbers probably belong to other immigrants who've managed to get green cards. but regardless of who they are, the real owners of the social security numbers will benefit, not suffer.

swift paid thousands of extra dollars into their social security accounts. the undocumented immigrants using the numbers will never be able to collect a dime in retirement pay for all their years of work on the killing floor.

ice has not, of course, accused the immigrant workers of the real crime for which they were arrested. that's the crime of working.

since 1999, however, the afl-cio has called for the repeal of employer sanctions, along with the legalization of the 12 million people living in the united states without documents. one reason is that sanctions are used to punish workers for speaking out for better wages and conditions.

what i think is particularly significant about this article is the way it details the intersection of labor rights and immigration reform. anyone who has ever worked in a meat packing plant knows that it is hard, dirty and dangerous work. elsewhere in the article it points out that the real goal of immigration enforcement is to establish bracero programs which in reality amount to little more than legalized slavery.

I guess you are all assuming I meant ALL patients. Everyone knows there is no such thing as ALL pts, right???

Whatever. Believe whatever you like. My pts always like me. Thats who I care about.

Think about it. If you can receive good care in your own country,then why would you come on a long plane trip to come here, to deliver and go home in 6 weeks?

Those of you who choose to label me (incorrectly I might add) cannot seem to offer any other ideas about why someone would come to have their baby here, when their family, spouse and Dr are all overseas.

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