Come to America to Have your Baby!!

[hope3456]

Los Angeles, California, national and world news, jobs, real estate, cars - Los Angeles Times

(The link to this article doesnt work, type 'medicaid' in the search engine and the article is 'Delivering Dual Benefits')

A couple excerpts from the article:

One of the most controversial aspects of coverage has been prenatal care. In 1989, California passed a law guaranteeing prenatal care to all impoverished women, with the state footing the bill. Last year, it began to tap federal funds dedicated to healthcare for working families, under the theory that the fetus would ultimately be an American child. Some other states have done the same

In Los Angeles County's public and private hospitals, undocumented women accounted for 41,240 Medi-Cal births in 2004, roughly half the deliveries covered by the public program.

[SharonH, RN]

THIS again? Who is in the world did ya'll scapegoat for America's problems before illegal immigrants?

Oh wait, it was poor Blacks. How could I forget?

[SharonH, RN]

What can I say other than America does NOT take good enough care of OUR OWN NEEDY LEGAL citizens, but, we provide care for illegal immigrants? My mother is 72 and disabled as my stepfather is also, and they live off less than four hundred dollars a month and only get $65 a month in food stamps. When I buy groceries and take it to my parents, my stepfather teared up the other day and said I don't know what we would do without your help. Where is the justice in that? Yet come on in illegals and we give you free medical care, food stamps and forget our own elderly and poor????? It's a sad time when we give give give to illegals and forget, or better yet for a lack of the proper term.....DENY our own the so needed help that they deserve.....Lord help us all!!!!!:o:o

The problem with this thinking is your assumption that if only we weren't giving so much money to illegal immigrants we would then take that money and give it to needy American citizens. There is no evidence whatsoever that the lack of assistance your parents receive is due to the care that is given to immigrants. NONE.

[LydiaNN]

The problem with this thinking is your assumption that if only we weren't giving so much money to illegal immigrants we would then take that money and give it to needy American citizens. There is no evidence whatsoever that the lack of assistance your parents receive is due to the care that is given to immigrants. NONE.

The other problem with this particular scenario is that the amount quoted is quite a bit below the minimum Social Security payment for a couple of those ages. Unless there is some legal reason these 2 don't qualify for SS, I can't understand this story.

[cherrymary]

How about those from the Arabic speaking countries??? They come, deliver and go home with thier little American citizen, who will be raised in the middle east, and possibly sent back here as an adult with all the priveleges/ rights of any other US Citizen.

Am I concerned????

Oh yes!!!

hmm.... racial profiling, much? charming. hope my family members never have you as a nurse.

[ann945n, RN]

Its not so much that I would want the money going to illegals to go to worthy government programs for needy american citizen (we all know thats a pipe dream) But I am ANGRY when i look at my pay check and see how much money they take out and know that illegals are getting that money for free. They dont pay taxes yet get to have free health care and schooling for their kids. Im sorry but im not paying for non-americans. That money should only be for our citizens why is this so hard to understand? To me its no different then robbery supported by our government since they wont do anything about it. Being born here and becoming a citizen was a law we needed when we were building our nation, now thats done lets get rid of out dated laws. Is anyone aware that US population growth is only from immigration, not births from citizens. so food for thought and lets not even get started on the language issue, having lived in germany for some time i didnt go there to live and not learn their native language, talk about respect

[ann945n, RN]

Why is people coming in from other countries a bad thing? In case you haven't noticed birth rates in North America are down and the senior population will have a hard time being supported by working age people in the next 30-40-50 years.

I'd like to meet those of you who are american and whose ancestors DIDN'T come from another country.

I dont think anyone here is against LEGAL immigration, that is a beautiful thing, illegal immigration is the problem.

[hoping2b]

I guess I must be in the minority by doing things the other way round. A number of years ago I was in the scary position of having to leave California, being more than eight and a half months pregnant, and recently uninsured - to go to a much kinder health system on the other side of the Atlantic to give birth. The thought never entered my mind about my baby losing his US citizenship, definitely not a priority. I still find it strange that there are so many millions of uninsured people in the richest nation in the world?!?

[lindarn]

Its not so much that I would want the money going to illegals to go to worthy government programs for needy american citizen (we all know thats a pipe dream) But I am ANGRY when i look at my pay check and see how much money they take out and know that illegals are getting that money for free. They dont pay taxes yet get to have free health care and schooling for their kids. Im sorry but im not paying for non-americans. That money should only be for our citizens why is this so hard to understand? To me its no different then robbery supported by our government since they wont do anything about it. Being born here and becoming a citizen was a law we needed when we were building our nation, now thats done lets get rid of out dated laws. Is anyone aware that US population growth is only from immigration, not births from citizens. so food for thought and lets not even get started on the language issue, having lived in germany for some time i didnt go there to live and not learn their native language, talk about respect

Has it occurred to anyone, that one of the reasons that US birthrate has dropped so much, is due to the high cost of living, health care, the amount of money that it costs to raise a child from birth to 18? The cost of higher education that our children are having to pay to get a college education? And that these are costs the illegal immigrants are getting for free from the US tax- payer?

I, for one, wanted baby #3 badly. When I looked at the cost of being on unpaid maternity leave for three months, daycare, other expenses related to raising a child, (i.e, saving for another child's college education), I was almost glad that mother nature took care of the problem, and I was unable to have another one.

We are sacrificing what should be our next generation, because our money is going to provide free health care, education, and living expenses, for illegal immigrants. It is my guess, that situation is occurring in other nations, as well. I might add, that many countries in Europe, significantly limit who may become a citizen, and who may not. Generations of immigrants, are not granted citizenship, and I believe that France, and parts of Scandinavia, are examples. England has very generous immigration laws, and are having many problems because the Muslim population doesn not want to assimilate. In Australia, I just read recently, that the government informed the Muslim residents, that if they want to live under Islamic law, they have to leave the country. My kind if givernment.

We would have all have enough workers for the next generation (of our own), if this illegal subsidizing was not going on. My $0.02.

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN

Spokane, Washington

[SharonH, RN]

Has it occurred to anyone, that one of the reasons that US birthrate has dropped so much, is due to the high cost of living, health care, the amount of money that it costs to raise a child from birth to 18? The cost of higher education that our children are having to pay to get a college education? And that these are costs the illegal immigrants are getting for free from the US tax- payer?

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN

Spokane, Washington

The reason it has not occurred to anyone that illegal immigration is behind falling birth rates is because it's preposterous. A change in values and American culture and European cultures is the cause of falling birth rates, study after study has shown that. Since our economy is no longer based on agriculture, there is no need to have large families. Economic and career opportunities are causing women to delay starting their families. The availability of birth control gives women choices of how many children to have.

As for the financial costs of having children, you're right it has gone up considerably. I grew up in the 70s in a 3 bedroom ranch home. I had two siblings. My sister and I shared a room. We had only 2 TVs in the house and my parents each owned a modest vehicle. Nowadays, people raise their kids with the expectation that each child must have their own room with a TV and a computer, and a cellphone. Families take their kids on extravagant vacations like cruises and trips to Hawaii. I see teens now driving SUVs and nice sedans to school. Compare that to the Chevette that I shared with my brother as a teen. And let's not forget expensive summer camps, karate, dance and music lessons. It's no wonder people can't afford to have 4, 5, or 6 kids with those type of expenses. I don't see how you can pin that on illegal immigrants.

[cmaj]

well said Sharon - I hope all the hostile feelings of some nurses don't transcend into the kind of care they are to provide. . . . I am a minority and it is so easy to pin things on illegals who have no voice - instead of "other" minorities - the cost of living has gone up anywhere - I live in Long Island - yes it's expensive to live anywhere - unfortunately the system is flawed - I don't believe in things just being handed out to anyone - blame your goverment - not the people - I truly hope to not come across this attitude or have any of my family members be treated by you - I am a nursing student so I am confused about one thing - so if I LOOK hispanic - do you automatically assume that I'm on welfare & I came to have my baby in the U.S.???

[ZASHAGALKA, RN]

well said Sharon - I hope all the hostile feelings of some nurses don't transcend into the kind of care they are to provide. . . . I am a minority and it is so easy to pin things on illegals who have no voice - instead of "other" minorities - the cost of living has gone up anywhere - I live in Long Island - yes it's expensive to live anywhere - unfortunately the system is flawed - I don't believe in things just being handed out to anyone - blame your goverment - not the people - I truly hope to not come across this attitude or have any of my family members be treated by you - I am a nursing student so I am confused about one thing - so if I LOOK hispanic - do you automatically assume that I'm on welfare & I came to have my baby in the U.S.???

I don't pin anything on the illegals, anything at all. If I were in their situation, I'd be an illegal here, as well.

No, I blame OUR GOVERNMENT for allowing the situations to occur that encourage the defacto refugee status on our border. By allowing that refugee flood for our own purposes of cheap labor, we have allowed the Mexican gov't the ability to sidestep addressing the problems that cause the disparaties because NOW they have both a steam valve and incoming hard currency.

Mexico has one of the world's largest oil reserves. Plus, they have the other natural resources that America has. THEY could be a rich nation, as well. But, what need does their gov't have to address reforms for their people when their people conveniently have someplace else to go?

Why should THEY pay such costs when we will?

Bottom line, the people in Mexico don't NEED to be refugees in our nation. Their nation has the resources to support themselves. What they NEED is reform at home. Ultimately, our blind eye to immigration only stems the political need to address the poverty in Mexico. By doing so, we serve to entrench that very poverty.

We aren't doing anybody any favors.

~faith,

Timothy.

[OB_RN]

The thread being titled "come to America... caught my eye.

It is not my intent to be accused of racial profiling-

I am suggesting, (under the thread title -again-) that there are many reasons why someone from another country would wish to fly in nd give birth.

BTW- the bill is almost ALWAYS footed by- you guessed it- medicaid.

Get angry if you like.

Racial profiling and the medicaid issue aside, what we have here is a real terrorist threat. Those people are patient.They will wait for these kids to grow up. Their children will be able to come and go as they please, do as they please, etc all under the govt's nose because they are CITIZENS.

Is anyone else concerned????

Or are you more concerned that I profile my patients?

PS/ No matter what, I am always a very gracious hostess to my patients, white, black, arabic or other.