Nurses thrown under the bus

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I'm an RN on an ortho unit at a large hospital. We recently admitted a patient with a chest tube. Several days went by without the dressing being changed. I cared for the patient on the 7th and 8th days after admission. The general surgeon, who was the admitting, did not include any orders for dressing changes. Pt's family got very upset, especially after I paged the MD for change orders, and he didn't call back. Because we're an ortho unit, we don't see a lot of chest tubes, but apparently on the respiratory unit, it is common knowledge that this MD likes daily dressing changes on chest tube pts, so he never puts in orders for changes. Family contacted the director of med/surg for the hospital about this, and the director contacted shift supervisor, who then contacted me. I did page the MD, and I also left a note in the electronic chart for him indicating that the family wanted to speak with him about care, and included a phone number. He didn't contact them until he found out that they were upset. He didn't respond to my page (he's notorious for this). I feel like I did my best, but this matter has gone all the way to the chief medical officer, my unit supervisor, and the med/surg director. In an email, it was stated that our ortho staff needs education on chest tube dressing changes. I feel like we're being thrown under the bus. The MD should have put in dressing change orders. The MD should have responded to my page. The patient shouldn't have been on an ortho unit for over a week when he could have been transferred to the respiratory floor. As I said, I cared for him on the 7th and 8th days after admission. Maybe one of our nurses who cared for him much earlier in the week should have asked the MD about change orders. As it turns out, the MD is pissed off at me, the family is pissed off at me, and administration is pissed off too. Sometimes, you do your best and it still doesn't work out.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Academics.

Nurses have a tendency to fall back on "I didn't have an order" when faced with care they are unsure about. It drives me batty.

The nurse who admitted the patient or the nurse assuming care on the next daytime shift should have sought out a policy or an order for dressing changes. As time went on, the nurses fell into the no order trap and ignored the obvious. Why do we do that?!

Specializes in Trauma Surgical ICU.

We don't have official orders to change any dressing because it is policy to change all dressing daily including chest tubes and surgical dressings. If a dressing is not be touched or changed, that has an order. If a dressing is above our normal, specifics are located in the order.

P&P should have been located and if not clear the MD should have been notified sooner than day 7-8. In addition, if chest tubes are not something your floor sees everyday there is nothing wrong with calling the resp floor for help.

Look up the policy and procedure next time you have a patient with something you're not familiar with! I would be upset if this were my family as well. Over a week and no change/no assessment under the dressing? Yikes. Nursing is certainly responsible for this in my opinion.

Specializes in Medical-Surgical/Float Pool/Stepdown.

I can not imagine working at a facility that didn't utilize policies and procedures or even an access to resources such as Lippincott to guide EBP care for simple things such as chest tube dressing changes.

And yes, even at my facility chest tubes are treated a little bit differently depending on why and which service placed them (such as trauma or cardio-thoracic), but if the MD wants anything special performed differently than our policies and procedures then it damn well better be in their orders that are visible to all of the nursing staff!

Specializes in ICU.

All of the nurses who played dumb, or are unable to critically think their way out of a paper bag, and ignored that damp, musty, funky dressing for a week should be counseled for a major infraction of patient care.

As far as documentation goes, you did your job. Something tells me when things are not going good for administrations or supervisors, they go to others to blame to make themselves look not so bad. I am not a nurse, but when someone comes to me and says 'something needs to be done', I say 'it was already done. Look at the computer and look at the faxes'. And I don't worry about it for the rest of the day.

Specializes in ICU.

I am pretty sure that the surgeon is going through his own disciplinary process for not answering the page and that he has childishly decided to be mad at the nurse.

He will answer them now. And if he doesn't, you know what to do.

Specializes in geriatrics.

Most dressings should be changed every 2-3 days which is basic nursing care. While the physician should have provided instructions and returned calls, nursing is the advocate.

Did you or one of your colleagues discuss with your charge nurse and document? As others mentioned, you could have contacted one of the educators, respiratory, ICU or emergency to request guidance for the dressing change.

Leaving a soiled dressing in place is negligent. Hopefully you and your team will be aware that there are other resources in place for future situations.

Specializes in Cardio-Pulmonary; Med-Surg; Private Duty.

I see all these comments about how the nurses should be assessing the chest tube site daily, etc., but why no comments about the PHYSICIAN'S duty to assess? Isn't this doctor (or his residents/PAs/NPs) rounding on this patient every single day? Don't they have any responsibility for assessing the site for s/s of infection, subcutaneous air, etc.?

If the standard in that hospital is daily dressing changes, how did the admitting physician/staff never once notice that the date on the dressing never changed for over a week?

Sounds like a bunch of non-communication and buck-passing going on there, IMO.

I said above that the shift supervisor told me that I needed an order before that dressing could be changed. Shift supervisor said I needed an order before I changed that dressing. Policies and procedures were checked. Nothing pertaining to dressing changes for chest tubes.

Specializes in PCCN.
No one checked policy? We don't need orders for ours unless the team for whatever reason WOULDN'T want the dressing changed....which is pretty much never. Our policy is for them to be changed every 48 hours, so it just gets done. I find it hard to believe that everyone waited over a week for 1 doctor and absolutely no one checked policy....or even asked a unit that sees them all the time.

I have had a cardiologist tell us not to change a pacer dressing "unless it is dripping out of the dressing" he wants us to reinforce it, but feels that if we remove it its at more risk for infection. Funny , I thought wet saturated surfaces were a risk too???

Sometimes we can get him to change it-rarely.

Specializes in Med-Surg.

I don't think you should be thrown under the bus alone. Each nurse who take care of the patient before you should be questioned as well.

I'm not very familiar with chest tubes either. Our unit does not get very many. When we do, we often call ICU for assistance and questions. They can give us guidance for when we need to call the doctor, what kind of orders we might need (like dressing changes) and help us troubleshoot. We have all had extra online education and a bit hands on practice but we still get them so rarely that we aren't very competent. When we do have a tube, it's discussed during huddles so everyone gets a mini refresher.

I can sympathize with you and your coworkers. It's unfamiliar. You especially were the last one to care for this patient and kind of walked into the situation. You did the most by at least trying to contact the doctor and getting an order. Did you or anyone ever call the respiratory unit for help?

Unfortunately, I am hesitant to believe the surgeon will receive any reprimand for not actually putting an order in the first place, or for not answering the page you sent. Administration will probably say that after 30 min- 1hr without response, you should have kept paging. We have a specific policy on paging and response times.

The good thing is that your unit will receive some needed education and training, and perhaps the hospital can work on developing a policy and procedure specific for chest tube care that includes dressing changes.

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