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Not trying to start a flamewar here or anything like that but as an incoming MS I this fall, what are some of the things that doctors do that usually ****** off a nurse? Dr's yelling about missing charts? Yelling for waking them up in the middle of the night? Give me a list so that when I become an MD, I'll be aware of these things and try to avoid them.
Thought all of you would find this thread interesting:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=542853&highlight=nurses
It's from a student doctor message board and it's all about THIS thread! I got a great laugh out of it! I also found it amusing that they were trolling the nursing boards.
(BTW, sorry if someone else has already posted a link to this.)
Very enlightening.....boy those interns sure don't like us "older" nurses, do they????? oh, well, they'll get over it & they will get older, too....!!
For the most part, I don't have a problem with the docs where I currently work as much as I did where I used to work. Most are very friendly and we get to know the residents that rotate through the ICU and sometimes we all go to breakfast, residents and nurses. There are a few things that I require out of any attending and resident...
1. When I call you to see the patient because there is a pressing issue, come to see the patient. Do not brush me off. I will go up the chain of command meaning I will call the fellow, the primary team or the attending if I have to.
2. Please take the time out to include me in the plan of care for the patient. I am at bedside more than you and I would like to be clued into what is going on.
3. Don't give me a verbal order and then state that you never gave me the order.
4. Treat me with respect and I will treat you with respect. This includes saying please and thank you when you are asking me to look all over for central line kits and various equipment.
These are simple requirements, nothing that's too hard to do.
I know it's been mentioned but the biggest issue I have is poor handwriting. Sure, we have our experts at reading Dr. X or Dr. Y. And if I can't figure it out with my colleagues I will page the doc for clarification. So please, if it's important enough to write the order make sure it's legible.
I know it's been mentioned but the biggest issue I have is poor handwriting. Sure, we have our experts at reading Dr. X or Dr. Y. And if I can't figure it out with my colleagues I will page the doc for clarification. So please, if it's important enough to write the order make sure it's legible.
I like to watch discovery channel shows like 'Trauma in the ER' and there was a doctor
on that show that said the reason they have such poor hand writing is because they do
so much of it, poor excuse, huh?
I like to watch discovery channel shows like 'Trauma in the ER' and there was a doctoron that show that said the reason they have such poor hand writing is because they do
so much of it, poor excuse, huh?
Actually, I don't think it's beyond reason. After a few minutes of writing, my hand tends to cramp up and my writing gets more and more illegible. Which is why I prefer to type and why I'm so glad computer charting is the trend.
Many moons ago, I used to type classnotes for a neurology med student. The amount of handwriting was really incredible. I'd get a small notebook full of tiny, cramped handwriting every week. So in this, I can sympathize.
Our worst docs used to bring the charts to the desk and translate for the secretary and she, bless her heart, would remember every order faithfully.
So you might suggest telling someone the orders as well as writing them to the docs who can't write straight.
What really makes me mad is that for some reason there is a group pf doctors where I work that all do the same thing. I am reading the chart, they ask me that number, I say yeah......don't get another word out when they snatch the chart out of my hands. Its like 4 docs that do that.
Oh and I don't like when I tell a doc something and they tell me its not important. Its obviously something that is important to me which is why I am telling them. Now if its not critical just tell me why. Just say thanks for letting me know but this is not relevant because x, y and z. That way I learn something and I won't ask that question again. Don't just say not important and leave.
Hey I got to cover my butt too! (I actually said that to a doctor once. )
I like to watch discovery channel shows like 'Trauma in the ER' and there was a doctoron that show that said the reason they have such poor hand writing is because they do
so much of it, poor excuse, huh?
I might buy that if all or even most of the docs had illegible handwriting. However, I know surgeons whose penmanship is as impeccable as calligraphy, many who are readable, and a couple who seem to write in a mixture of cuneiform and hieroglyphics. I would buy fatigue though. I know when I am tired my handwriting goes to pot.
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Another one: taking your children on rounds with you isn't wise (MRSA for one reason). My surgeon brought his 4 year old with him, and proceeded to change my breast reconstruction (post mastectomy) dressing. The kid said, "Yuck!!"