Nurses go for trial

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I know this is old news but I don't think it has been posted about here and it needs discussing.

TWO Gold Coast nurses will stand trial on manslaughter charges more than a year after a "fit and healthy" father of three fell critically ill on their watch.

Michael Gibbons, 50, and Jennifer Valentine, 46, were on night shift at Southport's Pacific Private Hospital in April last year when physical education teacher Christopher Hammett became unconscious.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20845201-23289,00.html

I have been trying to follow this and it seems that the charges were brought on behalf of the family. It seems odd that the hospital has not been investigated because I would question why there was only an RN and an EEN staffing the ward (which from what I gather was the ward staff)

Prosecutor Peter Feeney said Mr Gibbons had taken a break between 1am and 2am, after "the condition of the patient had deteriorated to the extent that by 1am he required urgent medical treatment".

Mr Feeney also told the court that Mr Gibbons and Ms Valentine were negligent in failing to shake or wake up Mr Hammett and for failing to phone a surgeon to report his poor condition.

"They weren't in the middle of the Sahara Desert," he said.

"They had a telephone to call the doctor on shift."

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,18553702-421,00.html

The two news articles I have posted containt the gist of the story as I have been able to determine. I think we, as nurses, need to watch the development of this case very carefully because there are implications here that go way, way beyond what happened.

I am puzzled too as to why a 46 year old would have aspirated post-op - why was his consciousness so impaired? I am NOT blaming the patient here - there is obviously a LOT of questions to be asked as to why his deteriorating condition was not detected earlier but there are also a lot more questions about how he got into that state in the first place.

Specializes in Medical.

But I want to know!!!

I think that's my idea of an ideal afterlife: knowing everything - is there a Bermuda Triangle, what happened to Amelia Airhart (that doesn't look right!), as well as the smaller stuff

Specializes in Med/Surg/Ortho/HH/Radiology-Now Retired.
but i want to know!!!

i think that's my idea of an ideal afterlife: knowing everything - is there a bermuda triangle, what happened to amelia airhart (that doesn't look right!), as well as the smaller stuff

yer a nosey lil bugger aren't ya??!!! .... wanting to know it all!!!!!:lol2:

ps: it's spelt: earhart! ;)

Specializes in Medical.

I knew it was wrong! And I prefer 'curious' to 'nosy', thank you very much ;)

Specializes in Med/Surg/Ortho/HH/Radiology-Now Retired.

Ok, have it your way...... CURIOUS!

Ya know what curiosity did don't you?

Yep, it KILLED the cat! :rotfl::rotfl:

Than again, you're probably TOO YOUNG to even know of that saying!:D

Specializes in Medical.

Oh yes, I am but a child! Good thing I'm not a CAT!:chair: :)

Specializes in Jack of all trades, and still learning.

I think the scariest things for nurses is that they are there for the whole 24 hours. And as someone suggested, on nights, especially in rural hospitals, breaks aren't factored in, which they should be legally.

The nurses are the most expendable from the hospital's point of view. Yes , it is hard to get nurses, but it is even harder to get doctors, and administration can't have the blame laid on their doorstep now can they? That could cause them to lose reputation, as well as a lot of money. And how would it affect their accreditation status?

And then the media get involved. Again, its the poor nurse who has the camera shoved in their face. And all the media wants is a good story, forget the truth...And you can bet your life that there will be no apology to the nurses whose names have been bandied around in public.

I'm so glad for the nurses' sake that the case was thrown out. But if the doctor knew that the patient was already critically ill then why didn't the coroner investigate his claim? Why did the nurses have to go through that?

And more importantly, why do the family just have to accept this result? I think they should push further to find out why either they weren't informed re: his status, or why the doctors didn't act when they knew he was unwell...

I know this is old news but I don't think it has been posted about here and it needs discussing.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20845201-23289,00.html

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,18553702-421,00.html

The two news articles I have posted containt the gist of the story as I have been able to determine. I think we, as nurses, need to watch the development of this case very carefully because there are implications here that go way, way beyond what happened.

I am puzzled too as to why a 46 year old would have aspirated post-op - why was his consciousness so impaired? I am NOT blaming the patient here - there is obviously a LOT of questions to be asked as to why his deteriorating condition was not detected earlier but there are also a lot more questions about how he got into that state in the first place.

I have some serious questions about this particular incident. Surely there must be other issues we have not been told about. Things that come to mind are, Were the nurses present the entire shift, what was their charting showing, did they check the patient on a regular basis, and why, if the patient aspirated and this suggests he came to the nurse's station in such condition, why wasn't anesthesia present and why did he even come to their care area?

Specializes in aged, palliative care, cardiac, agency,.

This entire story is scary. the stories shared here show that things can quickly escalate and not only the patient but the nursing staff are at risk. The health system with its need to push people through quickly is setting us all up (pts and staff) for more of the same. Nurses need to feel safe and supported enough to be able to raise the red flag and say "we are understaffed and need help right now" or that the patient load is inappropriate for the skill mix (should be the other way around I guess - skill mix cant handle that pt load). I understand that there are not always nurses hanging around a hospital looking for something to do - but surely the nurse manager / coordinator needs to reassign people on the spot to a ward which is struggling. Things can go pear shaped very quickly - within minutes, and nurses need support. Not just emotional but actual hands on.

Blaming the staff, blaming the patients is not going to work.

Specializes in Jack of all trades, and still learning.
This entire story is scary. the stories shared here show that things can quickly escalate and not only the patient but the nursing staff are at risk. The health system with its need to push people through quickly is setting us all up (pts and staff) for more of the same. Nurses need to feel safe and supported enough to be able to raise the red flag and say "we are understaffed and need help right now" or that the patient load is inappropriate for the skill mix (should be the other way around I guess - skill mix cant handle that pt load). I understand that there are not always nurses hanging around a hospital looking for something to do - but surely the nurse manager / coordinator needs to reassign people on the spot to a ward which is struggling. Things can go pear shaped very quickly - within minutes, and nurses need support. Not just emotional but actual hands on.

Blaming the staff, blaming the patients is not going to work.

I think I'd add to what you say. Often nursing resource consultants are under pressure to maintain a cap on the number/type of nurses hired for financial reasons. Also, the shortage of nurses doesn't help either. So it goes down the line that nurses on the coal front have to bear the brunt of an incident such as this. How are these nurses coping? What has it done to their life? Sure, they must feel vindicated, but that is hardly compensation for what they have had to experience. And all for the mighty dollar...

BTW I am not a manager, no where near it, and don't want to go there. But being in the 'pool', getting sent to different wards, means I have to see them everyday. They look stressed, and often its because of such reasons...

Specializes in aged, palliative care, cardiac, agency,.
So it goes down the line that nurses on the coal front have to bear the brunt of an incident such as this. How are these nurses coping? What has it done to their life? .........being in the 'pool', getting sent to different wards, means I have to see them everyday. They look stressed, and often its because of such reasons...

I agree. No wonder there is such a high incidence of nurse burnout and general increased levels of stress.

I work agency, am often sent to wards that are struggling (after all you dont send extra staff to somewhere quiet) and I see the stress and tiredness on the staff's faces. By the way, being pool or agency staff means that we are always in busy wards - hence extra stress on agency staff hence extra burnout and so on and so on and so on.........

Specializes in Jack of all trades, and still learning.
By the way, being pool or agency staff means that we are always in busy wards - hence extra stress on agency staff hence extra burnout and so on and so on and so on.........

I'm pool also. Do you find that being agency can mean you get the 'heaviest' patients? To give the staff themselves a break? OT I know...

Specializes in aged, palliative care, cardiac, agency,.
I'm pool also. Do you find that being agency can mean you get the 'heaviest' patients? To give the staff themselves a break? OT I know...

Sometimes it feels that way but usually it seems to be ok. There have definitely been days when that has happened, especially with "behavioural patients". I do find that I am sometimes given student nurses to orientate to the ward and so on and that seems a bit silly (although I work at that hospital so often it doesnt really matter). No matter what I still love agency nursing much more than permanent ward staffing.

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