Nurses Eating Their Young- A Different Perspective

We all have heard it before. Nurses eat their young. We all have complained about it and people tell us "oh no, don't do that." Simple fact is that it happens, and I will try to explain to you why it does happen and why it is not always a bad thing. Nurses Announcements Archive Knowledge

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Nurses eat their young. It happens and people complain about it like it is a bad thing. It may be in your eyes if you are the one being eaten, but in my eyes I am going to eat you alive and spit out your bones into something that resembles a nurse. You are entering the cauldron of fire, so expect to get singed.

That above statement is already setting some of you on edge. I understand that and I accept that. I felt the same way at first, but as the years have passed by I have learned why we do it and more importantly, the reason. Let me explain to you why in a way that is not nursing.

Imagine if you are a soldier ... Lets take it from there

  1. Patient = fire team
  2. Pilot = Nurse Practitioner
  3. Officers = management
  4. Your squad mates = your fellow nurses with more experience
  5. Enemy = death
  6. MD = (sometimes the enemy) a fellow service member form another branch

You enlisted in the service, you passed basic training (nursing school) and now you are ready to join your unit. ( I know I skipped AIT, for those military among us) You show up on the bus all excited and happy to be chosen for this special unit. It is everything you wanted, it is just where you wanted to be. Great, happy to have you aboard, now get out the salt and pepper, or maybe the opposite is true. You do not want to be here, but rather this is the only place you could get to right now.

Fine, get out the salt and pepper

Be prepared to be eaten. I am your new squad Sargent. I am there to help you get acclimated to the unit and the patrols as FAST AS I CAN. You show up in your new shiny uniforms, new boots and the new weapons (ie: stethoscope, tablet, etc) and look around you and see the older squad mates' uniforms are faded, they may even be a bit tattered, our combat boots may not be shiny, heck they may even be a bit soiled. But you know what, to us your uniform looks uncomfortable on you and those ugly boots we are wearing, they are like a second skin to us and those new ones you got are going to blister your feet. We accept that and realize that with age your boots are going to get broken in and your uniform will fade. Just don't point out to us how yours is better or newer. New does not always mean better, sometimes our weapons that you think are old and stupid are the ones that never fail in combat. You start out like that and I will eat you so hard right there that you will wish you were never born. Your old Drill instructors (nursing instructors) have nothing on me in making you feel small if I choose to.

I introduce you to your squad mates and I show you around

I know you are new and do not know where everything is, but LISTEN to me when I am talking to you and pointing things out. I know it is a lot of information to digest, but it may save your life and your fire mission's life if you listen. I expect you to ask me questions, but think about the question first. Did I already answer it? Did I not just show you where the supply tent was? Did I not point out where to keep your gear? Did I not show you how to reload your gun or program in the fire coordinates on the fire control computer? I probably did and if you keep asking I am going to start to wonder about you and think maybe you are going to get me killed or the fire team killed.

Time for your first patrol

The officers come by and gives us our mission. We need to work as a team to complete it, there are no Rambos in our unit. Accept the mission, I will be there to help guide you and keep you alive, for now. I do not want the fire mission to fail at all costs. When I feel you are strong enough to do more of the mission on your own, I am going to let you, whether you think you are not.

So now we go into the field for combat against the enemy. I know you learned all these supposedly fancy new ways of combating them, but the enemy doesn't always react the way you were taught it would. Things are different in the field, than in the classroom. Don't tell me how to do something unless I am asking you how it is done the new way. Listen to me how to set up an ambush. I have been fighting these battles many years and I am still alive. Don't look above at the pilots flying around doing their thing while we are in the trenches and say you would rather be there. It takes time to learn to fly, and I skin you and filet you alive if you think you are better than the rest of your squad mates. If you express an interest in learning to fly, I will be happy to help you get to the point you can learn to fly. I want all my squad mates to succeed, because the fire mission will then succeed.

I am going to jump on you during the training I give you, I am going to eat you up, I am going to speak bad of you, I am going to report on you to the officers. I will make your life miserable for a while. I may not let you take lunch with your buddies from basic who are now in an another unit in your command. They may have their own mission to conduct, or our mission is going badly. Sometimes I may make you work extra hard helping another soldier out, who is up to their butt in crocodiles. I am also going to praise you when you need it, but don't count on it very often. I am going to ride your butt so hard, you are going to wonder why you even enlisted. You are going to think I am unfair, that I am trying to get you killed, that I am giving you too big of missions at times, but know this. AT ALL COSTS THE FIRE TEAM MUST DO THEIR BEST! Sometimes we don't win all the battles and death does come for the mission. we accept that and expect you to accept it and pick yourself up and carry on soldier. The time to grieve is later in private when it fails, but know this; we old eat their young and are also grieving about the loss, but realize there are other missions we are needed on at that moment.

My Goal

My goal in eating you up is to toughen you up so that you may lead other soldiers in combat and save the fire missions, maybe even help you get to be a pilot or an officer, which not all of us want. Some of us were previous officers but decided we liked the trenches with the blood and guts and muck better. My goal is to see you succeed and carry on our legacy and eventually replace me when I fall. Which one day I will fall and become a distant memory. Until that moment I am going to eat you up and spit out your bones into proud strong self reliant Nurse. That is why eating our young is not a bad thing.

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Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.

Quote from nandosport

I second this. I was accepted to nursing school for the fall semester, but after reading OP's "Sure to Get Flamed" thread, seeing the supporters of that doctrine, and having several anxiety meltdowns, I decided to give up my seat in the program.

I now regret giving up my spot as I have no career prospects.

Are you serious?

Why would you give up a seat because of ONE person's perspective??

I am flabbergasted that someone would give up their seat because of it; if you want to be in this business, then you will have no qualms or issues in being in it; it's what you make out if it.

If I listened to a nurse years go who told me, as a pre teen that I would NEVER find a job as a nurse, I would have been floundering in life.

You really need to reconsider your choice, and find the gumption to understand nursing does have to have some form of toughness-called advocacy, and that this is a tough business, but if you are up to the challenge you CAN and WILL thrive in it.

Best wishes.

If the individual is prone to panic attacks and given to making important decisions with minimal input, a career in nursing might not be the best fit.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
Well said.

I'm finding the "coddling" alone is leading to nurses who don't take criticism well, and are unsafe and dangerously confident at least in my current experience.

As a preceptor, and the most senior experienced nurse at the facility that I work at, I don't mince words on how I feel about standards of care, and a work ethic; I am starting to develop a "crust" due to the incompetence that I have to follow and managements focus on the bottom line-it's doing nothing for the healthcare system. :no:

So I'll keep swinging the bat and throwing down the gauntlet for making sure that there is a high standards of care; don't mistake it for NETY; rather, think of it as "would you want YOU as a nurse?" meaning, not being prepared or looking up things or being adequately prepared to care for pts-would you want to be entering the room and taking care of YOU woefully inadequate?

To add: I'm a strong believer in Karma. :blink:

Can I second this? Can I second it about a hundred times?

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
Can I second this? Can I second it about a hundred times?

Absolutely. ;)

Miss. LadyFree -

I'm trying hard to understand your logic, but swinging a bat in a new nurse's face is not going to help her grow into the excellent nurse that she wants to be. Swinging a bat in her face is not going to help transform healthcare. Swinging a bat in her face is most certainly going to stifle her own thought process and make it harder for her to work effectively!

Seriously. How can this be motivating at all?

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
Miss. LadyFree -

I'm trying hard to understand your logic, but swinging a bat in a new nurse's face is not going to help her grow into the excellent nurse that she wants to be. Swinging a bat in her face is not going to help transform healthcare. Swinging a bat in her face is most certainly going to stifle her own thought process and make it harder for her to work effectively!

Seriously. How can this be motivating at all?

A few things:

Tone isn't always implied on the Internet; let's get that clear first.

"Swinging the Bat" is a term related to my siggy line; read it, interpret it, understand it; it's about having advocacy; also understanding not to have a chip on ones shoulder that will block effective and appropriate respect and advocacy for their practice and for their pts.

I will "Swing the Bat"; meaning, I'm direct, respectful, and am passionate about having a standard of care; if one cannot understand basic human decency, the platinum rule (treat

others how one is supposed to be treated), and has no motivation to show up and have the mindset to be prepared to speak up, ask questions, and have some form of fundamentals, keep ears open, and be willing to be hands on, then there will be an issue; like I stated, do you REALLY want someone who discards all critical thinking skills and is woefully prepared to be your nurse?

I don't think so. :no:

My experience is coming from being a successful preceptor, policy maker, and as a pt; I've had excellent, good, lazy and bare minimum nursing care when I had a near death experience.

I don't tolerate lazy or bare minimum nurses; I don't, not when there are lives in our hands. :no:

So understand I want nurses to excel to the highest practice standard; it doesn't come from hand holding; it comes from doing the work; I have precepted people who want to do the work, lacked confidence (but gained that and more) and some who have NO interest in honing a practice; I found those nurses willing to feign ignorance to save face and were willing to throw others and experienced nurses under the bus because they "didn't know", but wasn't paying attention or went the extra mile to even look up policy and procedure, but get caught in doing so by administration-it doesn't end well.

Our profession has more nurses that honor a good work ethic and advocate, which includes understanding that no-one doesn't know everything; yet can be resourceful and figure things out in order to gain experience, insight, and proper judgement, which is the backbone to best practice and best judgement.

I am one of those nurses.

Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.

I believe that nursing requires respect for the human dignity of each individual. We must demonstrate this to students and new nurses.

Honesty is essential so we need to be truthful with our patients, each other, physicians, and management.

No bluffing. If we don't know something we must ask.

I am so very proud of the fine nurses who taught me when I was new.

The younger nurses I've oriented and mentored are now fine nurses. Many are leaders who help the rest of us advocate for the highest level of safe, effective, therapeutic compassionate nursing care delivered with compassion.

Is technique without caring nursing?

I believe that nursing requires respect for the human dignity of each individual. We must demonstrate this to students and new nurses.

Honesty is essential so we need to be truthful with our patients, each other, physicians, and management.

No bluffing. If we don't know something we must ask.

I am so very proud of the fine nurses who taught me when I was new.

The younger nurses I've oriented and mentored are now fine nurses. Many are leaders who help the rest of us advocate for the highest level of safe, effective, therapeutic compassionate nursing care delivered with compassion.

Is technique without caring nursing?

I agree completely.

I actually need to call bull on this one. Was she planning on running urine IV? There isn't a place on a Foley bag that could be hooked up to an IV. I believe this was an example to illustrate your point that never actually took place.

You are welcome to believe what you want, I'd never be against that. But yes, there indeed was a foley bag hanging from the IV pole. It wasn't filled with urine. It was filled with what I assume was saline and clamped. Barring the contents of the bag, that's what made me change direction and get in there in the first place.

Lastly, if you have practiced in the Greater Metro Phoenix area, you would have heard more. Even stranger tales abound. What I shared isn't the worst I've seen with newly licensed graduates from that school.

Suffice to say, yes it did happen. Her preceptor, the other floor nurses at the station, myself, and now admin are aware. Thank you though...

When someone is "swinging a bat", usually it does not refer to a peaceful situation. Do you mean, "go to bat?". In a learning environment, "babies" should not fear being "eaten" OR having their blocks knocked off, unless they are hanging a foley on an IV. Some students I have encountered, I can actually picture it.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
When someone is "swinging a bat", usually it does not refer to a peaceful situation. In a learning environment, "babies" should not fear being "eaten" OR having their blocks knocked off, unless they are hanging a foley on an IV. Some students I have encountered, I can actually picture it.

And as I explained before the meaning; think of it as "going to bat"; it is figurative and not literal; read my response objectively, logically and be willing to see a different perspective, then you'll get it. :yes:

Specializes in Telemetry, IMCU.
Neither funny nor true, actually. I had plenty of options and so did those I serve with. To label veterans as "crazy" is offensive to those who suffer from mental illness and the ensuing stigma.

What that poster said about veterans was offensive and I agree with you. My grandfather is a veteran and a psychologist with 2 doctorates and 3 masters degrees. Crazy? I think the word you're looking for is "Hardcore".

Specializes in Telemetry, IMCU.
I actually need to call bull on this one. Was she planning on running urine IV? There isn't a place on a Foley bag that could be hooked up to an IV. I believe this was an example to illustrate your point that never actually took place.

You actually can, depending on the type. Some don't have hooks, but the ones I deal with do. Otherwise how could they hang off the beds?