Nurses Eating Nursing Students

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It was our first day stepping foot on the floor.

We were lost.

We were scared.

We've all been there. If you haven't yet, you will. Some of us were sweating. Some of us were shaking. Some of us were quiet. The one thing that we did have in common is that we were all scared. Here we are, stepping on a floor, full of patients that we needed to take care of but we knew NOTHING. "Go find your nurse" is what our instructor told us. Slowly, we strolled to the different pods and introduced ourselves.

As I approached the nurse that I was to shadow the entire day, I became increasingly relaxed. She was an older nurse that looked mothering and I believed that I was going to learn a lot that day. "Ms. Martha? Hi. I'm Charlotte. I'll be your student nurse today" I widened my eyes and mustered the best smile possible, considering it is 6:30am. I was greeted with a blank stare, followed with an up and down glance that could make a dead man's veins run cold. She finally said, "Hmmmm. I already have a student nurse that is in her last semester. I need to focus on her and help her graduate. Where's your clinical instructor? Can you just be with her? If you have questions, you can ask. I just need to focus on my other student."

Let's fast forward this day. My patient went to dialysis, meaning I will not have anything to do for 4-6 hours of my 10 hour day. Because my patient was gone, I volunteered my services for her other patients. I volunteered to empty foley bags, change bedsheets or whatever other tasks or errands that needed to be done. I asked questions. After the attempts of basically begging her to let me help her were denied, I even asked if I could just watch her and shadow her without even being acknowledged. (Mind you this was my first day. I know I sounded like a sad puppy but I had no idea of what else to do). Unsurprisingly, she shot those requests down as well. This is only a small insight to how my first day went.

This is living proof that the advice that some nurses give about why nurses eat their young and all of things to do to avoid it is all FALSE!! "Make yourself available". Did that. "Ask questions and act interested". Did that. "Make sure to not come off as a know it all". Did that. "Sometimes, nurses are very busy and teaching a student will disrupt them blah blah blah!"

If you are a nurse and do not want a nursing student, JUST SAY IT! It is very unfortunate that there are some nurses out there that do not want to teach. The cornerstone of nursing is teaching. You must teach the family and patient constantly during their visit. Also, "each one, teach one" should be taken to heart. Think about when you first became a nurse. You were frightened and scared.

Fellow nursing comrades, if this has happened to you or if this ever happens to in the future, take it with stride. It is difficult to work with and hard to not take it personally. Just remember that day and vow to never EVER treat someone that is willing to learn and help with disgrace.

Specializes in Hospice.
Sorry, but I insist that the floor nurse had the responsibility to be polite. It is not that hard. I have been a nursing student and a floor nurse. I have precepted many times. I know it is not easy, but I am not impolite.

Did you even read Ruby's post? We have no credible evidence that the nurse in question was impolite.

Did you even read Ruby's post? We have no credible evidence that the nurse in question was impolite.

Yes I read the post and understand what she was saying. Please don't ask questions like that. It's impolite. I was mainly addressing the overall tone of the post. We all have a responsibility to nursing students. That's what I got from my education. Also, anyone pursuing an NP/PA will know that it is almost impossible to get clinicals for the same reason many are stating. Lastly, from my experience the OP most likely was credible. She may sound unhinged, bursting with anger at everyone, but I believe her.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
Sorry, but I insist that the floor nurse had the responsibility to be polite. It is not that hard. I have been a nursing student and a floor nurse. I have precepted many times. I know it is not easy, but I am not impolite. Also, lots of comments about teaching as not being the nurse's responsibility. No one is asking you to do it full-time, but precepting is part of your responsibility. How else does a person get through clinicals. A CI cannot take responsibility for multiple patients at the same time. The patients are not assigned to her. If she has several students on the floor and more on a different floor, how does that work? Unfortunately, all my training was in teaching institutions, so nurses could not and would not utter words about not precepting. In addition, if you have a BSN, you know that being a professional requires that you teach what you know. Plus, if there is a clinical ladder at your hospital, it is one of the requirements in some form or the other.

The student is indeed a guest in the hospital, but you do you think hospitals do this out of the kindness of their hearts. Not for one second. I would suggest a discussion with the CNO about why students are accepted if they are nothing but a burden.

And it is unclear to me that the floor nurse was NOT polite. I do not believe that Cisabel is an accurate reporter, and she certainly has a grudge against that nurse -- a grudge that she has been nursing for years. Furthermore, the nurse in question was not refusing to teach. She was already teaching a senior student; a student that had a right to expect 1:1 teaching. The clinical instructor absolutely made an error in her assignment there, and one that should have been corrected by the person who made the error, not pushed off on a nurse who already had a full assignment AND a student.

Evidently you have forgotten what a "teaching hospital" is all about. It is nothing to do with student nurses, PTs, RTs, OTs, or anything else. It's about being associated with a MEDICAL school and having MEDICAL students and MEDICAL residents. Nurses can indeed "utter a word" when someone mistakenly assigns them TWO nursing students.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
Yes I read the post and understand what she was saying. Please don't ask questions like that. It's impolite. I was mainly addressing the overall tone of the post. We all have a responsibility to nursing students. That's what I got from my education. Also, anyone pursuing an NP/PA will know that it is almost impossible to get clinicals for the same reason many are stating. Lastly, from my experience the OP most likely was credible. She may sound unhinged, bursting with anger at everyone, but I believe her.

And the overall tone of your last few posts has been impolite. Criticizing someone for impoliteness in the course of a rude post is a bit hypocritical.

No one here is disputing that we all have a responsibility to nursing students, but the ultimate responsibility to the nursing student rests with the clinical instructor. The nurse in question already had a senior student and a full assignment. Taking on a second student was too much and should not have been expected of her . . . By anyone. Cisabel was not a particularly credible witness as she admits that she didn't care about the nurse (or about anyone else in that scenerio).

Specializes in Hospice.
Yes I read the post and understand what she was saying. Please don't ask questions like that. It's impolite. I was mainly addressing the overall tone of the post. We all have a responsibility to nursing students. That's what I got from my education. Also, anyone pursuing an NP/PA will know that it is almost impossible to get clinicals for the same reason many are stating. Lastly, from my experience the OP most likely was credible. She may sound unhinged, bursting with anger at everyone, but I believe her.

Not impolite - more like incredulous :D

From my experience, the whole story seemed quite selectively edited. The only direct quote was not impolite at all and the rest of the characterization was heavy on the subjective labels and seriously light on actual information.

I agree that we have a responsibility to nursing students. It includes being as clear as possible about the limits of what we can do for them at any given time, which is exactly what the nurse did. The discourtesy occurred when the student didn't take "I can't help you right now and here's why" for an answer.

In addition, if you have a BSN, you know that being a professional requires that you teach what you know. Plus, if there is a clinical ladder at your hospital, it is one of the requirements in some form or the other.

EXCUSE ME??!!! "If you have a BSN"? What does being a BSN have to do with being a professional or with understanding your job, teaching 'requirements' or not? I am really offended by this statement. I am an ADN of almost 14 years who has worked in hospitals, long term and LTAC, agency, and home health/private duty. I have taught and precepted in every area throughout my career. In fact, as floor supervisor then Assistant Director of Nursing at a LTC facility for almost 3 years, I precepted (and taught, if you can believe it) almost every new nurse that crossed the threshold. Many, if not most, were new grads. I loved it and was happy to do it. Imagine that, a mere ADN with years of experience teaching LPNs, ADNs, and BSNs.

I think that YOU need to educate yourself. The wide world of nursing includes many levels of education, and your obvious disdain is disgusting and offensive (and impolite). If this is the attitude you exhibit toward your colleagues, I can understand why they have the attitude toward you they do. It brings a bad name to all nurses.

(Sorry folks, I was REALLY offended by this post)

Also, lots of comments about teaching as not being the nurse's responsibility. No one is asking you to do it full-time, but precepting is part of your responsibility. How else does a person get through clinicals. A CI cannot take responsibility for multiple patients at the same time. The patients are not assigned to her. If she has several students on the floor and more on a different floor, how does that work?

Have you ignored the many comments which have addressed this issue? Many of us have testified that when we were in nursing school, our CI did indeed take full responsibility for our instruction. This was completely possible because the ratio of CIs to nursing student was appropriate. Apparently now nursing schools are charging multiple times the tuition of past days, yet giving the students far less for their money by assigning too many students to the CI. And at the same time, the schools are using some kind of "you owe it to us" philosophy to use clinical nursing staff who have absolutely no official affiliation to those schools as UNPAID LABOR.

For the umpteenth time I'll say that my CIs did all our teaching. Staff nurses did not precept us. It was most certainly possible for our CIs to manage us and our patients. After all, they were collecting a salary for teaching us; it's not too much to expect that they do their jobs.

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.
Also, anyone pursuing an NP/PA will know that it is almost impossible to get clinicals for the same reason many are stating.

Maybe a bit off topic but in my experience this is inaccurate. The reason so many NPs have difficulty finding preceptors is because they have zero professional contacts. The schools are now churning out NPs in ridiculous numbers most with no nursing experience which was the cornerstone of our less extensive educational requirements as compared to physicians. Myself and my colleagues who were all nurses for any amount of time have had no problems finding clinical preceptors in fact the difficulty was more about who to shadow. In fact my clinicals were almost exclusively MDs who I knew were excellent at their job because we had worked together for years.

There is a never ending supply of posts here from NP students with no nursing experience, no clue about NP duties, schedules available, compensation or any personal contact with a NP but they have signed up and are paying OnlineU a ton of money. Almost immediately upon graduation they are posting that they can't find a job, don't like the hours, are making 1/2 what they should have required and now will be going for a post masters certificate because they didn't realize a FNP couldn't "do anything".

And even a few posts about what to wear when I become an NP.

In addition, if you have a BSN, you know that being a professional requires that you teach what you know. Plus, if there is a clinical ladder at your hospital, it is one of the requirements in some form or the other.

EXCUSE ME??!!! "If you have a BSN"? What does being a BSN have to do with being a professional or with understanding your job, teaching 'requirements' or not? I am really offended by this statement. I am an ADN of almost 14 years who has worked in hospitals, long term and LTAC, agency, and home health/private duty. I have taught and precepted in every area throughout my career. In fact, as floor supervisor then Assistant Director of Nursing at a LTC facility for almost 3 years, I precepted (and taught, if you can believe it) almost every new nurse that crossed the threshold. Many, if not most, were new grads. I loved it and was happy to do it. Imagine that, a mere ADN with years of experience teaching LPNs, ADNs, and BSNs.

I think that YOU need to educate yourself. The wide world of nursing includes many levels of education, and your obvious disdain is disgusting and offensive (and impolite). If this is the attitude you exhibit toward your colleagues, I can understand why they have the attitude toward you they do. It brings a bad name to all nurses.

(Sorry folks, I was REALLY offended by this post)

I did not mean to offend you or anyone else. The post was not about who could precept, but about it being a requirement for a professional. All of my nursing preceptors were ADN or diploma nurses. In the BSN portion it was drilled into us about nursing as a profession and the expectations. I did not really learn anything clinical doing my BSN. Perhaps this topic is more appropriate for another topic. I did not understand your comments about my obvious disdain for other levels of nurses or about my colleagues attitude towards me? What did you mean or what are you referring to? If you got the wrong impression I would have to have my posts proofread in the future.

Specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.

I did not mean to offend you or anyone else. The post was not about who could precept, but about it being a requirement for a professional. All of my nursing preceptors were ADN or diploma nurses. In the BSN portion it was drilled into us about nursing as a profession and the expectations. I did not really learn anything clinical doing my BSN. Perhaps this topic is more appropriate for another topic. I did not understand your comments about my obvious disdain for other levels of nurses or about my colleagues attitude towards me? What did you mean or what are you referring to? If you got the wrong impression I would have to have my posts proofread in the future.

I couldn't even being to finish your posts because they are beyond insulting. I'm not gonna pile on more but unless you were there & witnessed the exchange, how do you know for sure the floor nurse was rude? Remember, there are three sides to every story: yours, theirs & the truth,

I couldn't even being to finish your posts because they are beyond insulting. I'm not gonna pile on more but unless you were there & witnessed the exchange, how do you know for sure the floor nurse was rude? Remember, there are three sides to every story: yours, theirs & the truth,

OK, obviously I'm erring in my communication, because I am not trying to insult anyone. So again, sorry. I believe in precepting. I was not there, but have been the recipient of such behavior and maybe that's why I believed. So I will retract anything about the nurse being impolite, because like you said, I was not there. I have obviously failed to communicate what I was thinking, judging from the response. I will not comment any further.

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