Nurses not on the Canada Skilled list this time around

Silverdragon102, BSN · May 22, 2013

exactly, if really determined to move to Canada just look at the different options and with determination and strength you should make it just be prepared for the delays and hoops

McLovin' · May 27, 2013

As a PR in Canada, I think the best way is for you to find an employer. Because once you're given the working visa and meet the future requirements to apply as a PR, you will have no problems whatsoever. :-) Currently, Canada is emphasizing its PR requirements based on acquisition of Canadian work experience.

And trust me, Canadian work experience is SOOO important if you want to survive here.

Good luck!

Fiona59 · May 27, 2013

As a PR in Canada, I think the best way is for you to find an employer. Because once you're given the working visa and meet the future requirements to apply as a PR, you will have no problems whatsoever. :-) Currently, Canada is emphasizing its PR requirements based on acquisition of Canadian work experience.
And trust me, Canadian work experience is SOOO important if you want to survive here.
Good luck
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There's ALWAYS someone or somebody or SOMETHING here that would react against this particular topic.. I myself am really annoyed with these people always having something contrary to say about our (Pinoy RNs) desires, plans, aspirations and even our HOPES in working in the U.S. :angryfire Are they implying that hope is "delusional"? Just because we are people of SCIENCE? Please....! :yawn: People, Hope is the feeling that what is wanted can be had or that events will turn out for the best. Hope is something individualized and personal. That is something they cannot take away from YOU! We'll see what they'd say if they're on the death bed - disgustingly crawling their way through their stages of dying.. I'd probably laugh if they'd cling to 'hope'.

Frankly I have no idea what their trying to prove here.. Definitely some 'THING' would again say, "it is for your own good", "just presenting facts and uttter realities", and whatever irritating statements they would give, masquerading as friendly advice? Please.. We don't need it.. Give us a small amount of hope and leave us alone.. :nono:

And if there's one more thing I'd say about this... They are probably doing this because we are a THREAT to them. Not just to fill up vacant positions - but to outperform them as well. :yeah:

To all pinoy RNs here, just keep on hoping and PRAYING! - YES HOPING AND PRAYING! Because we'd never know what will happen in the future. Just keep your hopes up! God will definitely smile to those who are faithful and hopeful... :wink2:

GOD BLESS TO YOU ALL.. And 'You' included...

How have you settled in? I remember a few years ago when you were wanting to move to the US.

I've posted one of your old 2008 posts because I find it interesting. Did you find it as easy to settle into Canada as you thought?

Have you been outperforming your Canadian coworkers?

Inquiring minds and all that.

LaughingRN · May 28, 2013

What just happened here?

KCMnurse, BSN, MSN, RN · May 28, 2013

What just happened here?

I dunno - but seems like I missed something!

McLovin' · May 28, 2013

There's ALWAYS someone or somebody or SOMETHING here that would react against this particular topic.. I myself am really annoyed with these people always having something contrary to say about our (Pinoy RNs) desires, plans, aspirations and even our HOPES in working in the U.S. :angryfire Are they implying that hope is "delusional"? Just because we are people of SCIENCE? Please....! People, Hope is the feeling that what is wanted can be had or that events will turn out for the best. Hope is something individualized and personal. That is something they cannot take away from YOU! We'll see what they'd say if they're on the death bed - disgustingly crawling their way through their stages of dying.. I'd probably laugh if they'd cling to 'hope'.
Frankly I have no idea what their trying to prove here.. Definitely some 'THING' would again say, "it is for your own good", "just presenting facts and uttter realities", and whatever irritating statements they would give, masquerading as friendly advice? Please.. We don't need it.. Give us a small amount of hope and leave us alone..
And if there's one more thing I'd say about this... They are probably doing this because we are a THREAT to them. Not just to fill up vacant positions - but to outperform them as well.
To all pinoy RNs here, just keep on hoping and PRAYING! - YES HOPING AND PRAYING! Because we'd never know what will happen in the future. Just keep your hopes up! God will definitely smile to those who are faithful and hopeful... :wink2:
GOD BLESS TO YOU ALL.. And 'You' included...
How have you settled in? I remember a few years ago when you were wanting to move to the US.
I've posted one of your old 2008 posts because I find it interesting. Did you find it as easy to settle into Canada as you thought?
Have you been outperforming your Canadian coworkers?
Inquiring minds and all that.

Sir/Ma'm,

I can't help myself but to say something regarding your post fiona59. These are the actual fact/s that I have experienced here in Canada. These are accurate information kabayan. Like yourself, I AM A FILIPINO. And, I am ALSO irritated by the discouragement and confidence-killing statements directed towards Filipinos as well as internationally educated nurses in these forums. Though it is irritating, what they say are the truth. And like yourself, I believe that it is truly disappointing and should just be taken not as a pull-down but something to be inspired with. Never be hot-headed my friend. In the end, we will have our much-awaited and well-deserved grin. :-) So chin up!

And to answer your questions:

How have you settled in? I remember a few years ago when you were wanting to move to the US. Yes I have, but I am in Ontario, Canada. I'm here as a permanent resident, landed last year. And yes, I still and WILL move to the U.S. As a matter of fact, I have an ongoing application in NY that I will still have to wait for another 3-4 years.

I've posted one of your old 2008 posts because I find it interesting. Did you find it as easy to settle into Canada as you thought?

By settling you mean finding a job? Adjusting? To actually settle, you have to wait for 2-3 years before stating that you have actually "settled". ;-)

Life here is hard in Canada, especially landing with no work. You have to really bite the bullet and suck it up. Networking and accepting odd jobs is the key. We can't really be picky here at first. Unlike the U.S., Canada will NOT, i repeat, WILL NOT recognize your experience, education (including masters, PhD's_ and certifications. As of now, Canada wants me to study for 2 more years because they have surmised that i am 'still' lacking nursing competency. Even though I have departed as a senior nurse in a well-known government tertiary medical center, who traversed all possible nursing departments and services spanning all age groups, and having been trained new nurses for a year... I have been slapped with the fact that I have to study in Canada, while working as a dishwasher and a janitor. Take note, I am a current visascreen holder and a certified RN in the State of NY, having taken the NCLEX on my first try, finished at 75, with NO review center. How did I do that? Easy, because we are Fiipinos. :whistling: But I'm sure the other people can accomplish my feat.

Nevertheless, I will rise above this. Despite whatever trolls may say. :yes: Magical thinking all the way baby! But it fairness to Canada, life here is good. Peaceful but crazy cold..!

Life here in Canada is gravy. ;-)

Have you been outperforming your Canadian coworkers?

For now, not yet.

But I can whip up a super-clean kitchen and dining area! :roflmao: Hahaha!

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LaughingRN · May 28, 2013

...That is something they cannot take away from YOU! We'll see what they'd say if they're on the death bed - disgustingly crawling their way through their stages of dying.. I'd probably laugh if they'd cling to 'hope'.
........
And if there's one more thing I'd say about this... They are probably doing this because we are a THREAT to them. Not just to fill up vacant positions - but to outperform them as well. ..........
Have you been outperforming your Canadian coworkers?
Inquiring minds and all that.

When I first read your post and replied I honestly thought that your account had been hacked. I've been browsing this forum for years and have always thought that your posts have been insightful. I'm still going to believe that you didn't write it, until I'm proven wrong.

I think that what was posted was offensive.

As a Canadian, I'm sad. I'm sad that someone wrote it, I'm sad that AllNurses allows anti-Canadianism on this site.

For the record, I was born in Canada and life took me to the US so I'm no stranger to this game. My world view is that my family is now that much bigger, being American and Canadian.

Peace

CodeteamB · May 28, 2013

The first half of Fiona's post was a direct quote from the PP, written in 2008.

FWIW I'm not sure we need to get too worked up about anti-Canadian sentiment. The fact is many people want to come live and work in our country, and that is a compliment. Emotions can rise high when people feel that they are not being valued (as in an IEN who is told her qualifications aren't sufficient or a Canadian nurse such as myself reading that I should be scared of IENs outperforming me).

I have been in my fair share of disagreements on this forum re: IENs, but the fact is no matter how any of us feel about it, it's getting a lot tougher to immigrate here, and to enter practice. This may not always be the case, and I would never say to give up hope, but you have to be realistic as well.

Anyhow, may we all be able to look at the issue from both sides, and since I only really started typing because I can't sleep and understood Fiona's post (where some maybe did not) I'm going to be quiet now.

Silverdragon102, BSN · May 28, 2013

CodeteamB is correct and Fiona hadn't quoted clearly. Canada is getting tougher to immigrate to and in some provinces that may be good and in others where demand remains higher is bad.

Being someone who initially had a job in the US but affected by retrogression had the opportunity to move to Canada and as far as I am concerned the best thing we ever did. Within 2 months of moving here my application to the US was cancelled with no regrets (now 5 years down the line) and received PR at the beginning of the year and plan to become a citizen in 2015. I think it is sad that people use Canada as a stepping stone to the US but it is their loss. We can't change this but we can be proud it what we accomplish

Fiona59 · May 28, 2013

When I first read your post and replied I honestly thought that your account had been hacked. I've been browsing this forum for years and have always thought that your posts have been insightful. I'm still going to believe that you didn't write it, until I'm proven wrong.
I think that what was posted was offensive.
As a Canadian, I'm sad. I'm sad that someone wrote it, I'm sad that AllNurses allows anti-Canadianism on this site.
For the record, I was born in Canada and life took me to the US so I'm no stranger to this game. My world view is that my family is now that much bigger, being American and Canadian.
Peace

My cut and paste was wonky. I merely posted what the poster had said several years back. At the time of his/her original post many, many members were offended by the "outperforming Canadian nurses" crack but it was permitted. There are many more offensive quotes from posters who were planning to migrating to Canada.

Whenever we tried to tell people what to expect when they got here we were called bigots, racists, naysayers and cowards who were afraid of the migration of superior nurses who would show us how to do it. And yes, these posts were permitted.

Very, very few of these nurses ever returned to the boards to tell us how their move went.

When we tried to explain to them what our families had experienced when they had migrated, we were told we didn't know what we were talking about and that we shouldn't try and destroy their dreams. All we ever wanted was to tell them come with your eyes open, it's not going to be easy, some dreams will be destroyed. I saw it with the IENs who arrived in my hospital. Their families put so much pressure on them to send money home that we felt sorry for them. The demands were so high that some wound up taking jobs under the table to send more and more money home. When the employer found out their visas were pulled.

uRNmyway, ASN, RN · May 28, 2013

You know, since being in the US, I have frequently heard how they value Canadian RNs and our training and work ethics. So this whole 'outperform' comment is pretty funny to me.

LaughingRN · May 28, 2013

Fiona, I knew there was a reason for my denial!

Thanks for clarifying the post. It makes a lot of sense now and my head stopped spinning:)