Nurses who let NAs Boss them around - page 2
When will nurses ever learn to delegate? When will nurses ever collectively stand up and get some backbone--Fight for higher wages, and better benefits like a company matching 401K plan? I get sick... Read More
May 31, '03These Nursing assistants should have my old boss......
My Job description was outlined very clearly in a list of duties to be performed daily. #'s 1-35 addressed these issues.
#36 stated: Any other duties requested/assigned to the nursing asistant by the nursing staff that he/she is able to perform.
There was no mistake about what I was expected to do at work...ever!
May 31, '03There is no reason the cna's can't work together...and "NO" is not an option in my book...do the job or go home...that is just unreal!!! I mean, could I just come to work and only pass the meds on the pts I 'felt' like doing? only deal with the 'good' pts and neglect the more pesty ones? not call a MD because I wasn't in the mood?not chart on a more critical pt/check their charts for new orders cuz' I didn't have my supper yet?I think not.
May 31, '03The thing about it that makes me so mad is that they are told upon being hired what their job duties will be. If they do not want to do that, then don't take the job. I know they gave me a detailed job description and I have read theirs. If you don't like the job description go to McDonalds and sell hamburgers.
May 31, '03I think that the field draws the type of people that it does simply because of the pay and the relative lack of training need ...Around here if you have no other skills working as a cna can earn you a living wage.I have worked with people totally lacking any couth or social skills-don't get me wrong-I know some awesome nursing assistants..and many others with no respect for themselves or others and low self esteem.Some hardly know how to have a polite conversation with a co-worker and they do NOT want to get along.They like to call attention to themselves and do that by causing friction on the unit It is scary that some of these people are entrusted with caring for helpless patients-often unable to speak for themselves or defend themselves.We have to really monitor their activities very closely-as well we should because ultimately we are responsible for the resident's well-being...I walked into the lounge today to eat my lunch at 2 pm-long after the aide's breaks were over-and the whole staff of 6 were sitting in there-we have a 44 bed secure unit....I really felt like throwing a FIT but I restrained myself...This crew b*tches and moans every day-they think they need more help...They have plenty of time to sit around IMHO...When they start tomorrow AM I will remind them of what happened this afternoon....It is SOOO frustrating....Everyone is so darned worried that they will have to do a little bit more work then the next person.....
May 31, '03Leadership training would help a lot. I used to float at the LTC facility and was "bossed" around by the NA. Well guess what now I am the perm nurse on that unit and with the same NA who remember me green. The first few weeks were dificult, now we work very well together as a team to care for our Alzheimers residents. The facility has had many changes in managment, our DON has worked hard with the nursing staff to sort out the rif raf, including some nurses who let the NA get away with "everything"
With a lot of restructering of the nursing dept. the power to the nurses has been returned. Now our title of Charge Nurse really means we are in charge.
May 31, '03I do not know where to even start with this subject. I can start by saying I am a NA right know and start my core classes this fall for my BSN. It sounds as though you are putting a lot of blame on NA's and management. aren't you written these NA's up? Its not always the NA for turnover for nurses that is a pathetic excuse. Being that I will be able to see both views, I have seen some really terriable nurses and terriable NA's. You all know what are job duties are upon hiring. If your heart is not in it, get out. And I agree the patients are the ones that suffer from this. Nurses complain about all the work they have to do and there pay, well look at the NA's salary? Up their training and their pay, we might find good people to become an NA. But that is not the reason Nurses have such a high turnover! Its also how you approach people and make them feel a part of the team, you lead by example. Anyone in nursing should get payed more then what we do, because we do, do a lot. But take that up with your state legislation.
May 31, '03I can't say that I find this to be too much of a problem for me. But I have witnessed it once with another nurse.
I was standing outside the patient's room charting a PICC dressing change. The nurse was inside, tending the patient. The nurse aide was outside the door when the doc came along. The doc started asking how the patient was, how is B/P was, etc... The aide was actually answering and the doc was listening. I have nothing against aides interacting with docs, but in this particular situation the aide really stepped outside of the bounds. I said to the doc, "the nurse is in there, she can tell you how the patient is doing." The nurse was very easygoing in nature, and I don't think she would have said anything.
May 31, '03I agree with all of you are saying. A nursing staff is only good as the managment support. It is really frustrating. I was working in a nursing home as a LVN charge nurse and I had to assign a cna a difficult patient. Well I was very fair because at least I rotated this patient so everyone can have a break well this cna flat out refused and left the premises. I would have terminated her on the spot. When I spoke to the DON she said she would handle it and before I knew it the cna was back on the floor working as if nothing ever happened. I gave up. That following week I resigned. I feel that if I can't delegate my duties as a charge nurse let your cna's do it. Now that I am a RN I will not work in an area with delagation too much drama! Until the management get off their ass and enforce what RNs and LVNs do they can have it.
May 31, '03I've said a few times to some of our NA's, "Look, I didn't come knocking at your door for this job, you came here wanting it. Now that you have it, you're telling me you don't want to do it?" What gives? They usually change their attitude. I tell them I'll help you any way I can, but don't forget, when I can't, it's because I also have a job to do which you can't help me with. I do pt care as much if not more than some of them because they either 1. Don't want to answer the call bell and get whatever the pt is requesting, 2. Are either sleeping and cop an attitude when you wake them which I will wake them anyway, 3. Are off the unit chit-chatting with people on other units, 4. Outside smoking, (every 20 min) 5. On the phone chatting with other friends and the list goes on. JUST COME TO WORK AND DO YOUR JOB, that's all I'm asking, nothing major like build a nuclear bomb, just do what you were hired to do and preferrably without the lip service. That's not too much to ask for is it?
Jun 1, '03Originally posted by allscrubs
I do not know where to even start with this subject. I can start by saying I am a NA right know and start my core classes this fall for my BSN. It sounds as though you are putting a lot of blame on NA's and management. aren't you written these NA's up? Its not always the NA for turnover for nurses that is a pathetic excuse. Being that I will be able to see both views, I have seen some really terriable nurses and terriable NA's. You all know what are job duties are upon hiring. If your heart is not in it, get out. And I agree the patients are the ones that suffer from this. Nurses complain about all the work they have to do and there pay, well look at the NA's salary? Up their training and their pay, we might find good people to become an NA. But that is not the reason Nurses have such a high turnover! Its also how you approach people and make them feel a part of the team, you lead by example. Anyone in nursing should get payed more then what we do, because we do, do a lot. But take that up with your state legislation.
Jun 1, '03>>Nurses complain about all the work they have to do and there pay, well look at the NA's salary? Up their training and their pay, we might find good people to become an NA. <<
Actually, that can backfire; People will seek out NA jobs for the pay, and not for the duties it involves. Then you'll end up with more laziness, bad attitudes, etc.
I was stunned recently when two of my usually great NAs complained up and down about the family of a pt staying with her, but not helping the patient with her care - ie, cleaning her up when she was incontinent (the pt was having lots of diarrhea that night). I pointed out that our job is to provide that care to their mom, not to sit in the back room watching American Idol.
Needless to say, the rest of the shift was a little tense. But really, just because family is present doesn't mean that they want to wipe mom's tush. I would, but that's because it's a duty that I'm accustomed to. Other folks out there just simply can't bring themselves to do it, and I can't blame them.
Jun 1, '03I worked w/ a nurse who was physically attacked by a CNA, because the CNA did not like her assignment. The CNA was fired, BUT......
She was hired back after writing a short letter to the DON saying why she should get her job back. She never had to apologize to the nurse. This CNA came back to the unit as the triumphant leader of the pack.
She called me a b$%^h to my face one night and said "What are you going to do about it? You can't touch me."
She was right. I quit.
A good friend of mine (RN) was recently picked up and thrown by a Nigerian CNA at the LTC where she worked. This CNA did not want to write down the meal percentages. My friend reported the incident to mgmt., and showed them her cuts and bruises. They actually sided with the CNA!!! They made a bunch of excuses about how it would be so shameful for his family if he was fired. Of course, my friend quit. Mgmt. just couldn't understand why.
Some CNAs are wonderful people worth their weight in platinum. Many are lazy and insubordinate at best, and horrible, evil people at worst, who should not be allowed anywhere near pts.
I have been a CNA, and LPN and an RN.
I don't think that most bad CNAs are literate enough to use a BB on the 'Net. I don't think you'll find them here. They are probably out pulling the wings off of flys somewhere.
Jun 2, '03I do have to say I agree with allscrubs. There are the good, band, and the ugly on all levels. I'm an aide and I never say "No, I will not do that." to a nurse, and I will not take unlimited smoke breaks either. I know my job, and I just do it. I don't wait around for others to do it for me. I would not call myself a good aide by anymeans. I am not very fast, and I do take my sweet little time, and I am always the last one to finish my work. I get accused of being a slacker by some nurses, and it makes me angry to see the other NA's chatting by the nurses station when I am so behind on my work. Heck, alot of times I don't even get a lunch break. I could be like some other people and take their 5-10 smoke breaks in addition to their lunch break. I am not aware of any written rule at my facility about taking unlimited breaks, because these people are adults, and should think like adults for heavens sake! Heck I have only been an adult for a few days, and I have a little more consideration for my patients and co-workers than to spend half my shift smoking. I wait until I am caught up, all is quiet, and my hall partners are okay, and then say "Hey, I'm going to go smoke, I'll be back in like 10 minutes." And I time myself. Some dissappear for a half hour while others have to answer call lights.
On the other hand . . . I have seen nurses treat aides really rotten. Still, CNA's should not tell them no, but they do not have to go and be rotten either. Nurses have busy jobs, and so do CNA's. I feel that it would be very difficult for a nurse to push meds, do treatments, call doctors, do their charting, inserting cathiders, calling families, in addition to answering call lights, doing vitals, toileting patients, laying them down, getting them up, feeding them, CNA's charting, showers, doing ice pitchers, among many other things. I think nurses should be greatful to a good aide. I really try hard to be a decent aide even though I'm not miss speedy.
Bottom line, CNA's should have respect for nurses, but with good aides, or aides who are trying to be good aides, it is a two way street. If your hearts in it, were all in this together!