Lazy, demanding staff - page 3
What ever happened to strong work ethics?... Read More
Feb 28, '03Maybe the staff has been discouraged by management that does not listen or encourage initiative or the real workers were run off by the poorly motivated. kayRN21
Feb 28, '03Originally posted by sjoe
A motto for you: "A poor workman always blames his tools."
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Feb 28, '03Funny, my manager voiced the same feelings as the OP to me once..."Where is the work ethic? Why can't nurses be the old fashioned, dedicated types? Nurses just aren't the same quality today." I agree and disagree with this.
It's the same old blame game. One group blames another for the problems...days vs nights, management vs staff...sigh.
When will we come together and problemsolve for the good of all?
We have to deal with reality. Nursing schools today put out a DIFFERENT product than 20 years ago...but it's all we have. What I see facilities do many times is enable the poor employees and push the good staff until they're exhausted...burnt out, etc. We have to guard against this trap.
Today's younger generation: well, it probably does NOT have the work ethic seen in the past; managers in most fields would agree with this I'd bet. But MY generation was raised by depression and post WW2 parents...whole different perspective there.
Nursing has been an abused profession. To be honest, I had no idea what I was getting myself into. The younger generation is saying 'no' and setting limits.....something that needs to occur IMO.
Perhaps by being so very 'dedicated' (codependent?) we older, dedicated types have unwittingly contributed to the problems we see today. Maybe the new generation will make things better for nurses.
Feb 28, '03I just have one thing to say. It's hard to be lazy when you've got a 3 patient assignment in a Critical Care Unit!
Feb 28, '03I have recently had a problem with the tendency management has to exercize "warm- body- in- a- position-syndrome"...I don't know where these nurses recieved their education or experience but they all seem to have the same lack of initiative...I have had to use a line I picked up on this BB long ago..."did you clock in??? well how about answering the call light, the phone, fix the IV pump...". Sometimes I feel like I am in the middle of a day care for older children...and if I hear "that's not my patient"...one more time...I think I may have to go sidewinder on 'em...
I agree with mattsmom81...it's a whole different ballgame out there now...and we all need to band together to improve our work places... however, having been a part of a 'banding" many moons ago, I have seen what we do to one another in that situation and the fear that management invokes in some of us who would like to see a change for the better in healthcare...one thing is and was constant..."I aint skeert"...
Once upon a time, in a staff meeting in a far away land, a nurse once said to management regarding a certain oppressive mandation..."that's not fair"...management replied..."Fair? Fair? A fair is a place of amusement where there are rides, cotton candy, competition for best farm animals, homemade pies and quilts...there is no FAIR in nursing, do you understand??? "
I will continue to have my strong work ethics...I will continue to bust my hiney making sure the needs of all the patients are met, but I will also continue to be intolerant of laziness and will use my "innate genteel nature" to inspire those warm bodies to do what needs to be done...
Have also discovered that this issue is not nursing specific...doing the "minimum of work required" is rampant in any industry.
Feb 28, '03I have observed a decrease in loyalty to employer and to the team of co-workers. Part of that I relate to stress-when you have given all you can to get the job done you have to get a little selfish as part of survival. Depends on the person of course. I round all over the hospital and on units or shifts where the nurses work as a team the morale is better. These are the people who will decorate for holidays and volunteer for health fairs. The loners head for home to re-coup.
Feb 28, '03It's all about accountability..the nurses who come to work with the 'just get by this shift' attitude get on my very last NERVE.We have no strong leadership @ our hospital, and that's what is needed sooo badly.Until the slack-offs are held accountable..they will continue to be slack-offs. Yeah, I speak up..but to no avail.I'm not in a position of authority, so my remarks fall upon deaf ears.Gets very frustrating many times....my family has learned 'the look' i have when it's been a bad night, and stay clear of me/give me space.
Feb 28, '03Yes Mandy You nailed it!
My boss was a "consultant", Now he is "the director".
He is completely clueless.
I am the only nurse at this clinic. Last month I got into it with him as he was questioning my rationale re: a crisis on-call rotation schedule.(If he doesnt like decisions, I make I continually wonder why he puts me in a position to make them...) I had left some people off the rotation- He wanted to know why- I started by saying " people have strengths and weaknesses we need to acknowledge"... He BLEW- I started crying- I started to say "we can apply the nursing process to this problem...." "WHAT"S THAT!!!! " he said with a hateful look.
I love my clients, most of my co-workers, my office, hours and paycheck, But this man is so inept he's making me miserable!!!
And I'm not alone! We desperately need some frigging LEADERSHIP!
Thanx for listening.....
Feb 28, '03There are nurses that do the barest minimum at work. Then they have plenty of time for the internet, phone calls and chatting with other nurses and attendings. They always seem to get the easiest assignment too. Because they are buddies with the nurse manager.
Other nurses pick up the slack. Run around half-crazed all day long.
Nothing is done about it.
But let me tell you, when I am busy, I will ask for help. And yes I will ask the nurse on the internet first. I will interrupt phone calls. Oh yeah.
Feb 28, '03This is an interesting thread dealing with multilevels of issues. (work ethic, fair treatment, lazy, feedback)
It's hard to imagine a person rightously being lazy when employment is down. Vested lazy people are always a brain and eye sore. Their being lazy is also your opinion :-)
Every personality is different as will be each individual work ethic in today's America. Some things in life we learn through example, and inspiration, which you can only realize in real life. After passing NCLEX a nurse can not learn to be motivated, it's unlikely. I haven't seen any classes that realisticaly can teach motivation.
You just have to hope the employment office picks the right people - it's not so hard :-) I know exactly what yall are talking about. Interestingly, it's culture and pride that dictates a good work ethic and level of motivation. Sometimes people will go out of their way to avoid "work" because it is socially unaceptable to be seen doing work. Sometimes I get bent out of shape when I overhear someone use the expression ""I'll have you go do such and such"Instead of having someone do something why not just do it? I still imagine this being a slave run economy 150 yrs ago because he mentality and resentment is still there. Anywhere, I want to get to be a nurse because I care and enjoy caring for people. Considering all jobs in America, RN cares the most (obviously).
Feb 28, '03i was one of those who gave it my all. i stayed late (for free). i cleaned and restocked the med cart etc. i covered everyone who went on break. i did my share plus some. i did draw the line at cleaning floors and bedpans (nope, not me).
i also burnt out.
now when i go back to work i will do what is expected in my 8 hour shift. no more free time. i will continue to help co-workers but i will only be accountable for what i do. i will not be held accountable for others.
i don't like team nursing because there is always someone in the team who is not holding their own. and i do not want to pick up the slack.
the payoff is i will be home on time with my family and i will be happy. and i will go to work with a fresh attitude and smile when i see patients.
i am an administrators nightmare because i think it is time for nurses to set limits on what nurses do. i also think that the current people graduating are what is needed to set some new insights into nursing.
time for nurses to be nurses and leave the housecleaning to the housecleaners.
Feb 28, '03Originally posted by mattsmom81 (quote)
"We have to deal with reality. Nursing schools today put out a DIFFERENT product than 20 years ago...but it's all we have. What I see facilities do many times is enable the poor employees and push the good staff until they're exhausted...burnt out, etc. We have to guard against this trap. "
Wow--so so so very true. This is nowehere close to being an "all or none" situation. Yes there are lazy nurses, yes there are dedicated nurses. Recognizing one doesn't automatically discount the other. And its not just in nursing, but in every walk of life.
One person may recognize today's workforce as being "lazy" while another would see them as being "assertive" in their right not to be abused (no breaks, no lunch, etc). No easy answer in making better managers either--I've had managers who worked their way up through the ranks--and had a "clue" about what was going on, but din't know how to "manage" (example: wanted to continue to be everyone's friend). Other managers became managers just by virture of their degree--and had been taught the skills, but couldn't get respect from the staff because they had never "been in the trenches".
*sigh* where do we begin.....
Feb 28, '03Recently I came across a problem in this field.
Another RN who was not "doing" the job. I work in ICU and patients can not sit up and say, "hey, no one bathed me, no one has turned me". You see what I am getting at. The bare minimums NOT being done. This action, by this RN, puts into questions EVERYTHING. Is this RN giving meds? Is this RN doing treatments? You see what I am saying here???
Others have also noted this lack of minimum care. But I was the one who talked to the RN. I told this person I knew that things where being charted that HAD NOT been done. I am giving them THIS chance to change. HOWEVER, if this person continues, my nurse manager is my next stop.
I have NO IDEA in the world why this person is not doing the job. Because they are quite capable of doing the job.....IF THEY actually do it. Much of this RN's time is spent chatting, on the computer, on the phone....... and it is the patient who suffers.
I think work ethic plays a role here, obviously. This person, when confronted did not say much. They mostly changed the subject and I found myself bringing them back to the subject at hand more than once.
It is problem. I will not ignore it. I have to be the patient's advocate....no matter what.