Not enough attention to BMs in nursing today!

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I think that nursing today is often forgetting the basics. I had a patient this weekend who I transfered from a stepdown bed to med/surg. I followed the patient and floated to Med/Surg. By the end of the shift I became aware that the patient really needed a BM, and in report I suggested that the patient needs some MOM, ect.

This didn't get addressed and the patient went into A-fib with RVR in the night and ended up an ICU patient on a cardiziem drip. I took care of him the next day, he was distended and no appetite, and was more SOB (his underlying dx was pneumonia)

I told the hospitalist I was going to get his bowels moving when I reported some things to him in the AM, which I did with MOM and a suppository, much to the patient's relief. He had been having runs of wide-complex beats, most likely V-tach, and once he got into bed after his BM (med, hard) he settled down, his nausea went away (doctor had started troponin protocol based on nausea sx), and his heart gradually slowed down, allowing me to wean him off the drip. He converted to NSR at around 1500. The hospitalist put the patient on metamucil, and suggested that cardiziem (patient was on PO cardiziem at home) is a poor choice for a patient with tendency to be constipated.

My point in telling this story is that, I notice patients are being allowed to go too long without BMs. It seems that the basics of nursing care are being lost in a sea of regulatory overdrive demands and high tech wizardry.

Specializes in Med onc, med, surg, now in ICU!.

Is anyone a Scrubs fan? This song should help to keep the importance of poo high in nurses' minds!

Specializes in Med/surg,Tele,PACU,ER,ICU,LTAC,HH,Neuro.

MOM is over rated.

HOT PRUNE JUICE IS THE BOMB

Specializes in Med-Surg/Peds/O.R./Legal/cardiology.

WOW, lesley! I'll remember that next time!:idea::lol2: NO KIDDING!!! GaaLee, y'all! This has been an eye opening thread for me! I've been in the OR WAY too long and forgot about this nightmare!! It's also an eye opener for the OR nurse who in a case all day and just has to WAIT!! IT'S ENTIRELY CRAZY!!!!

ebear

MOM is over rated.

HOT PRUNE JUICE IS THE BOMB

Warm prune juice w/a touch of cascara, followed by a cup of hot tea.

It truly was the bomb icon_eek.gif

Specializes in Med-Surg/Peds/O.R./Legal/cardiology.

OMG!!! Emmanuel? would that kill a person like myself??? and BTW is there a nursing diagnosis for the men who leave 1 square of toilet paper on the roll??? My husband and I had quite a "fellowship" meeting last eve because he seems to think that replacing the roll causes BRAIN DAMAGE!! well, he had a violent attack of diarrhea last eve and guess what --I left that single piece of toilet paper right on the roll!hahaha!! I figured it won't work for me and I weigh 120lbs. let's see how that works for you?? ain't i mean???:devil::devil:

ebear

Specializes in Med-Surg/Tele, ER.

Is anyone a Scrubs fan? This song should help to keep the importance of poo high in nurses' minds!

:roll

That was hilarious. I love Scrubs.

Great thread, people. Maybe we should start a nursing public awareness campaign - "Get back to basics - check for poo!".

I agree the basics aren't emphasized enough. I think it's a combination of factors including being buried in JCAHO-inspired paperwork, basic nursing not being emphasized enough, and as has been addressed - some nurses just don't want to go there.

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

Thanks for the video, very funny! I love that show!

Specializes in ICU, telemetry, LTAC.

Great, I had that song on my mind for a week the first time I heard it, here we go again. Great song, good show. It's one of the only med shows I can watch without going ballistic.... wait, yes it's the only one.

I always ask for poop status in getting report. I seriously want to avoid ever having to disimpact someone, so PRN's and prune juice are my friend. Warm prune juice and MOM mixed, call it a prune juice cocktail, and boy does it work.

Impactions kill people, ileuses kill people, people have surgery sometimes due to a lifestyle that involves too many lortabs and too much stress, and then wind up in a world of hurt when they get constipated after surgery. And you know they were probably constipated beforehand too.

Ahhhhhhhhh, let's not forget those young people who think their gut isn't ever supposed to hurt! They'd rather be zonked on painkillers than have a decent BM if it's gonna be uncomfortable. And no, they don't usually see the value in prune juice. (This is a vent, not all young ladies are like this, just a few who have greatly tried my patience.)

The students who come to my unit hopefully are learning the importance of good bowel habits and what the nurse can do to facilitate gut health. Unfortunately if you have an overworked medsurg unit, not all the CNA's want to clean up poop, the nurses are happy to just get their charting and meds done on time, it may be that safer staffing would go a LONG way towards helping that issue.

Little funny story: My first med error was complicated and involved reading a protocol wrong (really wrong) when it was spat out of the computer. So I gave my man who was to have an upper GI series the next AM, a bottle of mag citrate, a pack of baby wipes, two towels and a bedside commode. Hehehehe. No really, it was funny to everyone but my nurse manager. Poor patient, I didn't have the heart to tell him about the error as he was up all night and at one point said, "I think I died six months ago and am just now finding out about it" regarding the stink. HOWEVER, his runs of vtach that he had since admission, stopped altogether. Nice pretty tele rythyms after that. Headache gone too, by AM he had no complaints.

Specializes in Med-Surg/Peds/O.R./Legal/cardiology.

OMG!!! I am about to die laughing here!!!!! Here's my assessment of the health care situation: the entire system needs a good old hot double prune juice cocktail. and STAT...

Thanks! I feel better already!:lol2::lol2::lol2: Oh! and I haven't had time to watch that show yet. Good Lord, I've GOT to get my head out of my rectum!!!!!

ebear

Specializes in Operating Room.
Although I might be incorrect, I think that today's nursing programs tend to do whatever they must to simply get the students to pass NCLEX on the first attempt. Therefore, the basics in nursing programs may get brutally pushed aside to make room for learning about life-sustaining knowledge, technological advances, dosage calculations, and so-called 'priorities.'

Just browse through the NCLEX forums, and virtually none of the recent test-takers mentions anything about test questions related to defecation, impaction, constipation, obstipation, diarrhea, or anything dealing with BMs. Therefore, I think nursing educators are purposely shoving the importance of BMs aside.

You know, this is true. The NCLEX and NS are still fresh in my memory, for the most part, and very little emphasis was on the simple things. It seems like after you get them Nursing 1, you don't really hear about them again.

Little funny story: My first med error was complicated and involved reading a protocol wrong (really wrong) when it was spat out of the computer. So I gave my man who was to have an upper GI series the next AM, a bottle of mag citrate, a pack of baby wipes, two towels and a bedside commode. Hehehehe. No really, it was funny to everyone but my nurse manager. Poor patient, I didn't have the heart to tell him about the error as he was up all night and at one point said, "I think I died six months ago and am just now finding out about it" regarding the stink. HOWEVER, his runs of vtach that he had since admission, stopped altogether. Nice pretty tele rythyms after that. Headache gone too, by AM he had no complaints.

I'm dying!

It gives new meaning to the term, "It smells like something crawled up your butt and died in there!"

I always tell my hospice patients that nothing makes a nurse happier than proper responses to the 3 p's. Poop, pee and pain.

debblynn

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