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redranger · Apr 18, 2009

"The 22-year-old Newton native will be saddled with more than $100,000 in student loans "

She should of went to Nursing School in Philippines. She would of been around $90,000 ahead of the game.

Could of used that money to buy a house and a car....

Silverdragon102, BSN · Apr 18, 2009

"The 22-year-old Newton native will be saddled with more than $100,000 in student loans "
She should of went to Nursing School in Philippines. She would of been around $90,000 ahead of the game.
Could of used that money to buy a house and a car....

Why should they go to the Philippines? Just because it is cheaper doesn't mean it is the best.

Everyone is entitled to go where they want to learn. We shouldn't always bring it down to go to this country or that. There are issues with some Philippine schools and until the country resolves them someone going there may have issues trying to get licensed in another country. We are already seeing issues in Australia and Canada for nurses that trained in the Philippines

Ginger's Mom, MSN, RN · Apr 18, 2009

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/items/2128

Boston College = 34 in top tiered Colleges and Universities.

Important if you plan to advance your career since you will have access to nursing leaders such as Sr. Callista Roy

Most parents believe that it is important to have their children attend the best college possible that is why admission application to Ivy League school are so high. That there are services like US News and World report to rate education.

I believe most parents share this concept, on my recent trip to Mexico the tour guide proudly told us about a local resident who attends Harvard. During my travels I often hear parents proudly tell me about their children and what Universities and Colleges they have attended, not that they could get a bargain education in other country.

Also if the majority of US parents shared in your belief the Philippines would have thousands of Americans attending college there for a bargain education instead most parents I come in contact with will do whatever they can to help their children attend the best college they can afford.

redranger · Apr 18, 2009

Why should they go to the Philippines? Just because it is cheaper doesn't mean it is the best.

Agreed. But in this case it is best.

Philippines is like the 51st state of USA. Where else can you go and everything is in English, English is the business language, Values and Culture of USA like we had back in the 1950's.

Constitution and Political System is almost a mirror image of USA. Americans and America is highly thought of in PI, It will make you Proud To be an American after leaving PI.

Friendly People, Very Educated in general, and Nursing Schools where students go to school and it's a privilge not a right, they take schooling in general a lot more serious than we do in USA.

Families will sacarife land, or go abroad to work just so the children will be able to get a outstanding education.

redranger · Apr 18, 2009

Also if the majority of US parents shared in your belief the Philippines would have thousands of Americans attending college there for a bargain education instead most parents I come in contact with will do whatever they can to help their children attend the best college they can afford.

Thats Just It.

Americans know little to nothing about PI. Philippines is literally on the other side of the world from USA.

Are you aware that 10 hours after Pearl Harbor was bombed, the Japaneese bombed Manila.

Douglas MacArthur is National Hero in PI. Just like in USA Streets and Schools are named after him.

Almost Every School Child in PI knows the Mac Arthur Famous Saying - "I Shall Return"

When I go and stay 3 weeks in PI, I will doubt I will see more than 3 Americans my whole trip. I go and stay in the Mindanao Region and the CIA has travel warning about that area, but it's safe as it can be.

Philippines is an untapped resource for Nursing Education.

Fiona59 · Apr 18, 2009

Nice to know that imperialism and the colonial mentality is alive and well in the US.

From what you have posted, you can buy anything or anyone in the Phillipines. Not sure that is a culture that most Americans or Canadians want.

stormforce · Apr 18, 2009

Staffs full, nurses struggle for work
Recession hits a once-sure thing
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2009/04/18/staffs_full_nurses_struggle_for_work/?page=full
I hear everyday that many nurses have lost their jobs, it hasn't been this bad in a very long time. So much for nursing being recession proof.
I only post this since I predict that many nurses especially new nurses without ties will be moving to areas of the US to get employed.

I have read through some of these posts in this thread and I am not sure what education in the Philippines has to do with nurses struggling for work in the US, I really can't see that the option of studying in a foreign country is going to be appealing for that many people or parents, I know that I would definitely not want to send my child to a different country to study.

I know the difficulties that many of the nurses on the site are having with retrogression and the long wait for Visas in the US, but what of those who are already working in the US.

What I would want to know from US nurses and international nurses working in the US is how the current job problems are affecting those who want to work in the US. Are there problems renewing Visas, are US nurses employed in preference to overseas nurses, as I know this is something that is done in Europe to make sure that employment for our own country men and women is a priority.

With the state of employment are international nurses Visas likely to be revoked, I guess that's why this thread would be of interest in this section.

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Apr 18, 2009

Topic of thread is Staffs full, nurses struggle for work: Recession hits a once-sure thing

Posters considering nursing need to be aware of the issue that nursing is not recession proof. Before considering a nursing career check out:

a. How many schools of nursing are in your area?

b. Healthcare market saturation --are hospitals consolidating, closing down or are new facilities being built due to rapid growth of communities?

c. If job market saturated desiring only experienced nurses, are you willing to commute to another town or able to move across states to area with openings?

d. How long can you survive without salary upon graduation?

Answers to these questions will help guide your decision to enter nursing program.

Within the next 15 years, 1/2 nursing workforce will be retiring as average age of RN's in 2010 will be 53 yrs....

Exhibit 4. Age Distribution Trend of the RN

http://bhpr.hrsa.gov/healthworkforce/reports/behindrnprojections/2.htm

I'd plan on being one of those retiring in 2025, but with economy tanking, spouse laid off 5 yrs ago, securing a FT position making 1/3 my salary and now retirement savings 1/2 value since 2008.....I will be continuing work at least part time. Many RN's formerly part time, now working FT or 2 PT positions as family bread winners.

Just like we went through similar downturn job cycles in 1974-75, 1984-85 and mid 90's, this cycle will pass.

Ginger's Mom, MSN, RN · Apr 18, 2009

Agreed. But in this case it is best.
Philippines is like the 51st state of USA. Where else can you go and everything is in English, English is the business language, Values and Culture of USA like we had back in the 1950's.
Constitution and Political System is almost a mirror image of USA. Americans and America is highly thought of in PI, It will make you Proud To be an American after leaving PI.
Friendly People, Very Educated in general, and Nursing Schools where students go to school and it's a privilge not a right, they take schooling in general a lot more serious than we do in USA.
Families will sacarife land, or go abroad to work just so the children will be able to get a outstanding education.

Are you talking about the USA when you are talking about education, I see many parents working three jobs so their children can go to a good school. US Parents spend lots of time on educational issues. How many kids do you have in school? Are you active in your local school board?

http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/en/

I don't see any listed in the Philippines.

No doubt the Philippines is a wonderful country in your eyes. Most people feel this way about their homeland.

But back to the topic, I agree with Karen, nursing goes in many cycles this is just one.

Ginger's Mom, MSN, RN · Apr 18, 2009

Nice to know that imperialism and the colonial mentality is alive and well in the US.
From what you have posted, you can buy anything or anyone in the Phillipines. Not sure that is a culture that most Americans or Canadians want.

I agree what I have read here is enough to make me think twice about a country where you can by a Maid for $30 a month.

We just took a vacation, we were in Mexico ( very poor country) when I was buying some jewelry my husband reminded me to haggle the price. I find no pleasure trying to beat poor people for a few dollars. It is not pleasurable to me.

Valerie Salva, BSN, RN · Apr 18, 2009

Topic of thread is Staffs full, nurses struggle for work: Recession hits a once-sure thing
Posters considering nursing need to be aware of the issue that nursing is not recession proof. Before considering a nursing career check out:
a. How many schools of nursing are in your area?
b. Healthcare market saturation --are hospitals consolidating, closing down or are new facilities being built due to rapid growth of communities?
c. If job market saturated desiring only experienced nurses, are you willing to commute to another town or able to move across states to area with openings?
d. How long can you survive without salary upon graduation?
Answers to these questions will help guide your decision to enter nursing program.
Within the next 15 years, 1/2 nursing workforce will be retiring as average age of RN's in 2010 will be 53 yrs....
Exhibit 4. Age Distribution Trend of the RN
http://bhpr.hrsa.gov/healthworkforce/reports/behindrnprojections/2.htm
I'd plan on being one of those retiring in 2025, but with economy tanking, spouse laid off 5 yrs ago, securing a FT position making 1/3 my salary and now retirement savings 1/2 value since 2008.....I will be continuing work at least part time. Many RN's formerly part time, now working FT or 2 PT positions as family bread winners.
Just like we went through similar downturn job cycles in 1974-75, 1984-85 and mid 90's, this cycle will pass.

When I see graphs and read the stats about the age of the average nurse, and the number of nurses declining due to retirement- I wonder- are the people who compile these numbers taking into consideration the huge increases in nursing students, nursing school capacities, new nursing programs, and the surge of new graduates?

It doesn't appear that they are. Therefore, the stats could be waaaaay off.