Newsweek Article: Providers let patients die?!

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Anti-Vaccine Cartoonist With 'Rough' COVID Case Says He Would 'Never' Go to Hospital

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Ben Garrison, a popular right-wing cartoonist, said he has had a rough time since contracting COVID-19, but he won't seek care in a hospital because he believes health care providers have motivation to let patients die.

I just can't anymore. No matter what gets you to the hospital, the providers try to keep you alive, that's why we have our jobs. Idiot.

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12 minutes ago, JBMmom said:

Ben Garrison, a popular right-wing cartoonist, said he has had a rough time since contracting COVID-19, but he won't seek care in a hospital because he believes health care providers have motivation to let patients die."

Because he believes...it's a faith...belief without evidence. 

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This person may be gearing up for his own HC award, just like his friend.

I do not wish that on anyone.

It's really too bad.

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People on this forum supporting the narrative that is actually killing people.

Killing patients and nurses.

The only part that I support is staying out of the hospital- stick to your convictions.  Thousands more are going to die.  If those that are actively pushing this epidemic do so outside of the hospital, maybe some of their victims will survive.

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5 hours ago, hherrn said:

People on this forum supporting the narrative that is actually killing people.

Are you seeing people on this forum saying that health care providers are letting people die?

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41 minutes ago, JBMmom said:
6 hours ago, hherrn said:

People on this forum supporting the narrative that is actually killing people.

Are you seeing people on this forum saying that health care providers are letting people die?

Thank you, I wasn't sure either what he or she was trying to say.

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51 minutes ago, JBMmom said:

Are you seeing people on this forum saying that health care providers are letting people die?

Emphasis on the poster's use of "actually."  In other words, doctors aren't killing people. What is actually killing people is a narrative with some support on this forum: The idea that getting vaccinated is a choice legitimately made based on personal feelings, preferences and non-scientific social influence.

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1 hour ago, JKL33 said:

What is actually killing people is a narrative with some support on this forum: The idea that getting vaccinated is a choice legitimately made based on personal feelings, preferences and non-scientific social influence.

Thanks. I read it a few times and just couldn't get the phrasing to make sense. 

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8 hours ago, JBMmom said:

Are you seeing people on this forum saying that health care providers are letting people die?

No.
What is killing people is the fact Covid has been pulled into the culture wars in this country.

On this forum, there are people contributing to this.  Both actual members, and made up screen names created to prolong this mess.

Mostly driven by a couple of posters supported by made up new screen names.

 

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I'm not really sure how hospitals supposedly make more by intentionally killing off their patients, but this general anti-hospital sentiment has become more common.

We've always had the occasional patient who leaves AMA because we tell them we're admitting them for Covid, so they decide there's no reason to be here since Covid isn't real.

But it's gotten a bit more wacky lately.  We had one admit who had come in after her husband had refused to let her go to the hospital, instead treating her with a "protocol" he got off the internet.  When he left for groceries she called EMS.  He then came to the hospital and insisted she was being held against her will (she disagreed) and eventually had to be helped out of the building by police.

Another was a guy in his early 30's who was heading towards intubation on the lower acuity Covid unit so came up to the Covid-ICU.  I've seen a number of these younger guys when they come up, and the deepness of the *** they are now in hits them.  This was the most freaked-out-looking of all of them so far. 

His wife calls as he's rolling in, supposed looking for an update but as it turns out it was more to update me.  Explains that she had told him not to get vaccinated because she knew someone who knew someone who got blood clots after getting vaccinated (thanks to Covid her husband now has bilateral DVTs and PEs), and that she 'felt like'  he had been infected at one point so now had natural immunity.  She asks what our treatment plan was, so I explain it to her, including that normally we would give Remdesiver but he had declined it, at which point I hear a voice in the background yell "he's not taking it because that's what you guys use to kill them".

The next day she spoke to Hospice and made arrangements for him to be transitioned to hospice care (without his knowledge) and made surprisingly good progress considering the patient was able to make his own decisions and had no idea of this plan.  It turns out this was likely so she could implement the "protocol" that she wanted him to have, which among other things included gargling hydrogen peroxide.  We know this because she sent it to us and argued that we have to follow it because she said so.  

I've certainly had family members pre-Covid who tried play Google doctor, but this is a whole new thing.

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On 9/29/2021 at 12:59 AM, MunoRN said:

I've certainly had family members pre-Covid who tried play Google doctor, but this is a whole new thing.

This just got more insane the more I read! I wanna know what happened to him after he got home! I feel like even if he does die at home on "the protocol" his family will still find a way to blame it on his time in the hospital 

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On 10/2/2021 at 11:24 PM, Charlcie said:

This just got more insane the more I read! I wanna know what happened to him after he got home! I feel like even if he does die at home on "the protocol" his family will still find a way to blame it on his time in the hospital 

The patient hasn't gone home, still in the ICU.  Last a saw him a few days ago he seemed to be holding his own without getting tubed.  Today he's vented and on CRRT, typically this is 50/50 for survival and pretty much zero percent chance of fully returning to baseline 

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