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New IR laws 'NOT HAPPY JOHN'

Has 9 years experience. Specializes in ICU/CCU.

if the new IR laws are passed do you think that we will be able to recrute more ppl into the nursing profession?

talaxandra

Specializes in Medical.

Yeah, no. Without penalties it's a lot of hard graft for a less than stunning salary. And I feel comfortable going out on a limb and predicting that we'll lose a whole slew of other conditions,too - like ratios.

Grace Oz

Specializes in Med/Surg/Ortho/HH/Radiology-Now Retired.

John Howard was NEVER the working Australian's friend!

Nurses are working Australian's.

I didn't fight, protest, march, do battle, all through the late 60's, 70's, 80's and into the 90's for what little real progress we made, benefits etc we obtained, to now have it lost ... forever!

We need to do all we possibly can to prevent these proposed new IR laws being implemented.

:uhoh21: :uhoh3: :o Sadly though .... I hold fears it might be unavoidable!

gwenith, BSN, RN

Specializes in ICU.

Agreed Grace! I worry because Nursing more that any other profession has fought tooth and nail to better conditions for the patients.

I cannot understand why...when we already have a nursing shortage and recruitment issues......would the government shoot themselves in the foot and make it worse ??

I understand even less why our union did not do a thing about it !

A sad time for nursing.

we have very interesting times ahead. im waiting to see how it will effect me. i more think it will effect the new nurses or those going for new jobs. as for john howard...... i best not say what i think

Grace Oz

Specializes in Med/Surg/Ortho/HH/Radiology-Now Retired.

Received a letter from a friend in Queensland. Her hours have been cut, no more penalty rates, and only TWO weeks paid leave a year!!!!

Yep, the rot has begun!

She's looking to get out of nursing. Another talented, experienced nurse lost to the profession.

gwenith, BSN, RN

Specializes in ICU.

Received a letter from a friend in Queensland. Her hours have been cut, no more penalty rates, and only TWO weeks paid leave a year!!!!

Yep, the rot has begun!

She's looking to get out of nursing. Another talented, experienced nurse lost to the profession.

What!!! Where has she been working? They can't do that surely?

Grace Oz

Specializes in Med/Surg/Ortho/HH/Radiology-Now Retired.

It would appear so, Gwenith. Sadly. She lives in Gatton. Don't know exactly where she's working, but I'm assuming it's there or nearby.

gwenith, BSN, RN

Specializes in ICU.

This is what I feared - that the country people who cannot move are going to be held hostage to the new wage laws. When THIS is the only job available the so called "market forces" that are supposed to stop this happening will instead lead to below poverty line conditions. These laws are NOT supposed to be applicable to those who are already employed. I bet though, she is working for a doctor. So many think that they can get away with whatever they like as far as underpaying staff.

Hah! You're so right about the falling recruitment of nurses. People won't work out of office hours for less money. Watch how the employers try to take away our pay and conditions. I'm getting one step closer to joining the Union again...as we nurses are a mighty workforce when we work together!!! We have the people power over our PM!

The Union should be assisting this nurse to maintain and enhance her working conditions. Doesn't sound right to me...

these new IR laws are direct attack at the people who work in emergency services like nurses, cops, ambosto stop them from striking if they dont like what is going on. they brought in this new law that people who by striking will effect the public in any way is outlawed. i like how people who work 9-5 monday to friday get to tell those that have to work shift work what they'll be paid..... ill just stop there as i know if i say anymore ill get a pm from the mods about my language....

Hi froghair,I and many other colleagues would agree! Can I say, I've been working with an R/N from New Zealand, in emergency on night duty. She has said that their nurses Union fought for pay rises which were slow and protracted. I'm in for a fight, we will let the people of Australia know what this dictatorship is trying to do...And I'm an Ausriginal! Along with the Aboriginal! I'm not going to lose all that our predessors fought for! We nurses are a formidible workforce. Another thought...poor quality nursing will creep in if our wages and conditions are cut!

gwenith, BSN, RN

Specializes in ICU.

Ausiriginal!! LOVE IT!!:yelclap::yelclap::yelclap: Can I share that one?:clown:

Tell you what Froghair - when it comes to describing the IR laws I feel tempted to make an exception about the language:angryfire: Words are not enough!!

I think WE, as nurses should put a submission directly to Prof Ian Harper who has been delegated as the head of the new AFPC (Australian Fair Pay Commission) as there are only a few other professions where the welfare of the recipient of that professional service is so tightly tied to the profession's industrial action. In that, I mean we have fought and fought and fought for adequate staffing and conditions not just for us but for our patients. This is what really concerns me - that we will end with impossible workloads as well as poor conditions.

The police are in a similar bind to us.

POLICE have attacked the Howard Government's proposed workplace laws, arguing that individual contracts in policing could foster corruption and result in dangerous performance targets for arrests, fines or searches.

In submissions to the Senate inquiry into the laws, two police unions have sought exemption for police.

The Australian Federal Police Association, representing AFP officers and support staff, said the laws could erode integrity.

"An individual who inclines to exercise his or her discretion in a way consistent with their supervisor's inappropriate prejudices may be very ably rewarded on a high dollar secret deal (at taxpayer expense) that is subject to no independent scrutiny," it argued.

A spokesman for Workplace Relations Minister Kevin Andrews rejected the fears, saying state police would remain in the state systems.

AFP staff would be subject to the new federal laws, but would continue to be governed by their certified agreement.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/police-want-out-of-ir-laws/2005/11/14/1131951100179.html

Tell you what Froghair - when it comes to describing the IR laws I feel tempted to make an exception about the language:angryfire: Words are not enough!!

does that mean i have a green light, because this not swearing or saying "boobs":chuckle is killing me

Grace Oz

Specializes in Med/Surg/Ortho/HH/Radiology-Now Retired.

I'm seriously considering coming out of retirement and taking up the baton, once again! Done it in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's. Be buggared if I'll sit back and watch all we fought for be lost for the next generation!!!!! NO WAY!!

Better still, I'll stay retired, but do it all voluntarily. They can't sack me that way!!!!

Or, maybe I'll just join the Australian Wheat Board!!! :rotfl:

Memo to horrible, er sorry, honourable ?, government:.......

Don't give kickbacks to foreign governments!

Give equality and fairness to own people!!!

Grace Oz

Specializes in Med/Surg/Ortho/HH/Radiology-Now Retired.

does that mean i have a green light, because this not swearing or saying "boobs":chuckle is killing me

geez froghair, that must be a bummer for you!!! :rotfl:

Grace Oz

Specializes in Med/Surg/Ortho/HH/Radiology-Now Retired.

and i'm an ausriginal! along with the aboriginal!

love it!!!! ausriginal! :yelclap: :chuckle when anyone asks me my nationality, i tell them i'm an indiginous australian! well, i am! look up the true meaning of the word, indiginous. "born of that land". :rolleyes: i rest my case!

geez froghair, that must be a bummer for you!!! :rotfl:

its harder than you think:smokin: if it wasnt for the pool being in swimming condition, having the last 2 days off and being able to fire up a cigar i would of poped a vessel by now:chair:

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