New Grad student, need advice, should I switch programs? Problems with advisor already...

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Dear Nurses,

For those of you who have successfully made it through graduate school, I am hoping you can provide me with some much needed advice from your own experiences.

I am in the first semester of a RN/MSN program. My advisor is also the department head and I believe she may have narcissistic personality disorder. I have become a target of her abuse, and I fear potentially a smear campaign behind my back. She has made several mistakes thus far, in regard to my transcripts and various other responsibilities that fall under her jurisdiction. In order to move forward, I had to address these. For example, I had no choice but to have several classes transferred in that she had 'missed' or I would have needed to attend an extra semester. I will not go into all the details because they are not important. Basically, as a narcissist, she has taken my reasonable actions, such as contacting the office of transfer credits, in a professional and non-accusatory way, as a 'slight' to herself. I could provide many examples but you get the picture, it is not an isolated event.

Long story short, she hates me and very much wants to get me alone, I suspect so that she can maintain control and/or perhaps verbally abuse me with no witnesses. She has already used this tactic to 'gaslight' me. Saying that she never told me important information that she did, or saying that I did not tell her things that I did, such as having taken certain classes. She now refuses to advise me in a way that would allow me a record of what happened. No recorders, no email, etc. She has also refused to reassign me to another advisor, despite my have numerous valid reason's for such a request.

Since I am in the first semester, I am trying to decide if I should withdraw from the program and go elsewhere. This will, of course, add time onto my education. I also have no guarantee that I will be accepted into a masters program elsewhere. If I do stay, it will mean at this point having to meet with the dean. Which I fear will lead me to be labeled and that I will be in emotional distress the entire program, fearing that I will be treated harshly in the future. As if at any point, the rug could be pulled out from under me.

I am an emotional wreck right now. I know how nursing school is, but this woman is a bully, not just strict. And, she is the department head. I hope that those of you who have passed before me can offer some insight into what the best decision would be. Has anyone else faced issue such as this? If so, were you able to resolve them in a positive manner? And how? If you were not able to resolve them in a positive manner, what did you do in the end?

Thank you all so much for your time.

Specializes in Critical Care.
Dear Juan De La Cruz,

Right now, I am finishing the BSN courses. So, I am still in the general courses. After finishing the first semester of core requirements for the MSN program, I then decide which area to enter. I hope that helps. It is an accelerated program for associates degree nurses to obtain their MSN in three years.I should add, that it is a partial or full (depending on preference) online program. So, this advisor, within a program that offers online classes, has come right out and told me that she does not believe online communication is effective. The university also provides online academic advising to some students. She wants to get me alone and off the record. I wonder why? I have no problem with their being a record of everything that I say to her, why does she have such an issue offering the same? At an online institution?

She probably wants to smooth things over and de-escalate the situation. You want to charge ahead and demand witnesses as if you are at war or planning a lawsuit. I think it would just be easier for you to transfer colleges. The other staff apparently don't want to interfere and step on the advisors toes so I don't see a happy resolution for you. Since there is a history of inequitable grading and your grading problems that is another reason to leave as she is not just the advisor but the dept head. Even if you could successfully take her on and win would it be worth the stress and hassle? Only you can decide. But it looks like it would be an upward battle and might not be worth it for your peace of mind.

Dear brandy1017,

You seem very wise and I appreciate your insight. I actually did handle the situation pretty diplomatically at first. I always (in real life, not online life) believe is starting at the least aggressive point possible and then escalating from there, if need be only.

I stated that her putting me in a class I had already taken was an, and I quote, "Innocent Mistake". From there, when she denied, I stated objective facts to support my position. Verifiable, objective facts. I did so in a polite way. As is, "perhaps you forgot", NOT in a "your a liar" kind of way. Things continued to escalate. I did try, for quite some time, to be diplomatic though.

I guess only part of the story, the insane part, is coming across here. I have to admit, I too think it sounds insane. It is insane. I've never had trouble dealing with others, in my career or otherwise, in such a way. It is so insane that I think it sounds unbelievable and I KNOW it feels unbelievable. Honestly, I can't believe it is happening.

As for the other nursing programs, thank you for your help. This has just tainted my feeling about nursing though, I feel depressed rather than excited. Life (and school) should be a journey, not a war. I KNOW there are MANY amazing, loving, kind, capable nurses out there. But we cannot help the fact that our experiences shape our thoughts. Now, when I think of nursing, I feel depressed. I know it is best for me to leave. My first priority is to take good care of others, and I cannot do so with my attitude and feelings. I CAN do so in another field, hopefully one that I can use my nursing experience to complement. I commend all the nurses out there, you have a hard job. I am SO glad that many of you find it rewarding. I just don't personally. This does NOT mean I don't respect you--I do. Some of my dearest friends in the world will always be nurses. But we must be true to ourselves first, in order to be true to those we serve. And when I am true to myself (as I am sure you have noticed) I cannot be a nurse.

I also admire your positive outlook. In that you state, "She probably wants to smooth things over and de-escalate the situation". I am certain though, that this is not the case. Some people, in every walk of life, are not well. I am in my 40's, I have dealt with difficult personalities before. I realize that my online representation of myself is seen as poor. I felt safe being honest here and the truth is, while I have dealt with difficult people on rare occasions before, I have never had one that held so much POWER over my life before. This caused me to react like an exothermal explosion and hopefully, explains the strong words and anger in my post.

While many times people are crying 'wolf', this is not always the case. I have been so cautious as to have at least one person review anything I say to this department head, to ensure that I am not being unreasonable and that I am being professional. Simply because I know that when we are upset, we speak with emotions rather than reason and I am a romantic, not a realist. I have not gone to a 'yes' person to ask that they review my communication with the department head, but rather to several outsiders. Some who do not even know me personally, but friends of friends who are Deans or professors of their own departments outside of this university, to ask their opinion.

With them, I have been able to divulge the situation in its entirety because they can secure confidentiality. So, my communications have been professional and diplomatic--at least, I think they have been and I tried my best for them to be.

You are right, in that I should leave the program (even if the things I said earlier about how the thought of nursing school depressed me were NOT true) it is best that I leave the program.

Anytime, you are early in your academic career and have less to lose, and face being targeted or labeled as a troublemaker, be it by your own fault or not, it is best to leave.

First, secure your future by leaving in a professional way. Do not bash or bad mouth. Keep your statements objective and have evidence to back up your statements. Be polite, say as little as possible. Secure financial aid. Make sure your record reflects a good GPA or a withdraw without any punitive cause attached. Find a professor (or two) that will vouch for you and write a letter of need be. Cut your losses, don't look back and get out. If you feel you ARE the cause, then do not repeat the same mistakes. Be honest with yourself and do not let pride or ego get in the way or honest conversations you have with yourself.

In this case, I am trying to do all of the above. I honestly do not feel that this was caused my anything that I did. If I could divulge more, you may feel the same but it I revealed the 'point of origin' it would also reveal my identity. So, all I am left with to say is that it is my belief (not fact) that this person suffers from narcissistic personality disorder. I did not realize soon enough and so through what would be considered 'normal' interaction between students and professors, she perceived a 'slight' (narcissistic injury). Due to this, she targeted me as a scapegoat and I then began to receive such treatment.

It does happen.

I've made a terrible argument for myself and represented myself terribly thus far on AN because I have been so upset. I realize and accept responsibility for this mistake, speaking with emotion rather than reason. What perplexes me is that I think we can all identify with being mis-treated at some point in our lives. Now, the degree of power the person who mistreats us has over our lives is an important factor. How angry do people become when their ex-wife/husband mis-treats the kids or takes the kids away in a custody dispute? How angry do we become when we lose a job, thus the ability to support ourselves, as a result of a lie or another mistake--for which we were powerless?

I guess I made the mistake of thinking that others on AN could identify with being mistreated by someone that has a lot of power over you.

I am NOT directing this statement toward anyone, especially Brandy1017. In fact, I appreciate brandy 1017's ability to communicate in a manner that allows me to hear what she is saying and does not put me on the defensive.

When a post is made that automatically causes someone to feel the need to defend themselves, the reader cannot hear what the speaker is saying because they are so focused on protecting themselves and not being mis-understood. Brandy 1017 has done an excellent job of offering an opinion in a non-threatening manner that rather than causing the reader to feel the need to defend, allows actual insight and growth. We cannot grow when we are defending ourselves (see Maslow's hierarchy).

Thank you.

Specializes in Critical Care.

I was fortunate in nursing school as teachers treated me fairly, but I have met several coworkers who have not been so lucky and a couple even ended up having to transfer schools to finish. A clinical instructor failed one nurse, but she was able to finish her schooling when she transferred to another college. It appears to have been a personality conflict between them. The other was given misleading information and then right at the end of her BSN program they sprung on her that she needed to retake science classes when she had been told that was not needed. She ended up leaving the program so close to graduation and eventually got a BSN from another college. Unfortunately, such situations are demoralizing, frustrating and very expensive financially!

I think transferring would be best for you especially because of the concern that you are not being graded fairly. I even remember a couple nurses who were failed from a pass/fail class both went to the same school and it almost made me wonder if it was not financially motivated as it cost them both an extra semester at this expensive private college. I actually went to that college for a semester as a BSN student and while I did fine I could see how if you weren't liked you could be targeted. Also it felt like you were being brainwashed and had to please your professor in your homework just a little too much. I didn't go back, but at least it was paid for tuition reimbursement from my job so no loss financially. It actually gave me some public speaking experience, because you needed to give a videotaped speech, and that is standard throughout the program. I think for a shy person it could be a liberating experience to go to this school because you would have to become outgoing to pass. lol

As a new nurse I was targeted by a LPN that was jealous of me because she wanted to be an RN and felt personally insulted when I asked innocently enough if an LPN could do a particular job. For that she tried to make my life a living hell and turn everyone against me and try to get me to quit or be fired. I was brand new, didn't know anyone, felt so alone, trying to prove myself, it was pure hell. Why didn't I take the easy way out and quit? I've even asked myself that. One I was afraid of the same bullying experience happening to me at another place and I didn't want to ever go thru such an ordeal ever again! Two my shear stubbornness would refuse to let me quit. I was determined to show her. Eventually things got better, people started to know me and respect me and thru a twist of fate she lost her job and was demoted to a secretary. She was very upset about this and left soon after, but not before she tried to mess with other new grads, by questioning the doctors orders and telling them they were wrong and they needed to call the Dr back and get different orders. Crazy!

I never thought of her as a narcissist, just a nasty ***** from hell! Looking back it is so ridiculous it is hard to believe it even happened. Because it simply is not rational to harass someone because they are an RN and you aren't! It makes no rational sense. It wasn't like I stole the job from her she was promised. She simply chose not to go to school to be an RN or tried and couldn't make the grade.

I admit I feel a pang of jealousy when I see the nurses become NP's where I work, but it is my own fault I never went back to school. I chose to stay an RN and I own that choice. I could go back to school too, but have chosen not to spend the money. Instead I'm saving for retirement, paying off my mortgage and living life. I would never mistreat someone for living their dream. I admire them and think they made the right decision because as you know bedside nursing is not easy physically or emotionally.

I was so sad to hear that your coworker lost her baby from being overworked. Your nursing job experience is more common than not, sorry to say. From what I hear the NP's like that job much more than being a floor nurse. But it is not always an easy transition. Most work for doctors and some have changed jobs several times trying to find the right fit between employers and specialties. The thing that bothers me about NP is I know that they too are run like an assembly line. Although of course you don't have to worry about your back or body in that job. I don't know how many patients they see an hour, but some primary care doctors were trying to break their contract with one of the health systems because they were being expected to see a patient every 7 minutes! Unbelievable! This ended up in the local news, although I never heard how it was resolved that wasn't published.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Wish you the best!

Specializes in kids.
Ok EmergencyRN22, truce. Online communication only allows for verbal communication and a lot is left out. You crack me up, in a good way, I mean that as no insult. Journalism huh? I wonder why? Not my flair for the dramatic, is it? No couldn't be. (laughs at self) I do have a drama queen streak, I suck in nursing because of it, I have a big mouth. My preceptor, whom I love and is one of my best friends from years ago, calls me "the truth teller". We appreciate one another's idiosyncrasies though and draw support from each others strengths. I will do the same with you.

Seriously though? Why did I hate being a nurse at the RN level? Let's see, I'll be a broken record for a moment.

For starters, no time to eat, drink, or pee. It was so bad that at one point there were seven of us that happened to be pregnant at the same time. No matter how pregnant we were, there were no accommodations available and the way the floor was laid out (like a U shape) we had to walk 1/4 of a mile from one end to the other. I was dying, swelled ankles, tachycardia, you name it. I hung in there UNTIL, one nurse LOST HER BABY because she became so dehydrated. She was stuck in the newborn nursery for 12 hours with no break because we were so busy that night. Tons of sick newborns that needed I.V's and what not and just her. She became so dehydrated that her baby suffered cord compression and died. I left.

Another reason, forced overtime.

Another, the facility constantly forcing nurses to take obscene patient loads, sometimes twice what the state mandated.

Another, no support when things became crazy. Everyone was too busy to help, regardless of the level of emergency.

Another, poor training (my preceptor in L and D left to attend college full time to get her nurse midwifery degree TWO weeks after I started and they never gave me another one--I was fresh out of school and had two weeks training in a specialty).

Another, poor management. Managers who would sit in their office (and once literally paint their nails) while we were DYING--full rooms, full triage, people in labor in the waiting room...

Let's see, another, reviewing other nurses charting within my same department. Really? Do I want to correct my friend and/or colleague? And especially, do I want to do so off the clock? We were too busy to do this during our shifts so we all ended up clocking out and doing it on our own dime.

Another? NEVER BEING HEARD! "Hey Doc. , this patient just ruptured her uterus"...(Doc yells at me) "What! Non-sense, you have no idea what you are talking about"! A few minutes later, "WE HAVE TO GOTO THE OR RIGHT NOW, THIS PATIENT'S UTERUS HAS RUPTURED". Or, "Hey Doc., this patients placenta just abrupted" (Different Doc, Yells at me also) "What, no way, I don't think so" When the baby comes out...Doc says, "Hey, will ya look at that! This patient had an occult abruption" and so on...over and over. NEVER, did a doc say "hey you were right, sorry I yelled at you", or anything. Only validation I ever got was when I ran into a resident at a bar and they told me they thought I was amazing. At a bar, not to my peers, or my manager. At a bar.

Do you want me to go on? Because I could but I bet you get it.

As a NP, I had a career plan because I have friends (doc's, NP's, midwives) that I could work with and/or for. Believe me, after some of the horrors I experienced I researched the dickens out of being a NP and everyone I spoke with said they were FAR more happy, less stressed, and felt as if they were actually making the world a better place that they did as a RN.

I have no intention of staying in the area so any connections she may have are useless to me.

But, I am not going to fight. If I did, there would be a darn good chance that in the future, she would get me on the more subjective grading and then I would have invested too much. Even if she didn't, I would live in utter terror until I graduated, and I am just starting. Your right, I have too much at risk.

In walking away right now, I also am able to expose her immediately, to the higher up's AND more importantly, rid myself of the emotional turmoil now, rather than allowing it to continue and graduating with my FNP + PTSD.

I hope I have answered your question, and I hope we can understand one another better. Also, I do appreciate when someone calls me on my sh*t, so thank you. We can learn as much, if not more, from those who disagree with us as we can from those who do agree with us. AND it does not mean we are enemies, just that we agree to disagree. If this were not true, we would have no such thing as 'family'. Ha..

Just. get. Out. You clearly are miserable in this career.

Perhaps writing romance novels?

I can see how your online communication style would dig you in deeper.

Specializes in 15 years in ICU, 22 years in PACU.

OP sure is a talker.

Specializes in Pediatric Hem/Onc.

Admittedly, I skimmed the majority of those thread. I read all your reasons for hating the RN role and frankly....your issue is a terrible employer, not the profession. It is your responsibility to take care of yourself.

Personally, I would just transfer to a different program. Before doing so, you should really examine the situation objectively and own your part of the blame. Call me a cynic, but it's easier for most of us to make ourselves into the victim than to admit we are part of the problem.

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