Nearly $5 million will go to train new Arizona nurses

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i read several journals and this one caught my eye and felt the need to share with all of you...

"the phoenix business journal's matt haldane explains how nearly $5 million will be spread across several different groups as part of the effort to train more nurses. click the link below for more."

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/morning_call/2012/06/nearly-5-million-will-go-to-train-new.html?surround=etf&ana=e_article

That is not going to stop the hospitals, from continuing to understaff and overwork the nursing staff. We have plenty of nurses RIGHT NOW that can be used improve staffing, but the hospitals are not using them.

And lets not forget, the hospitals continued push to de skill the nursing profession and allow more non nurses to perform our professional practice, in our place. The drive to de-skill and dis-empower the nursing profession is only going to get worse.

I have said it before, and I will say it again- the hospitals will not stop until they can run an entire hospital with as few nurses as possible and have the bulk of the care, professional and unprofessional, going to unlicensed assistive personnel. Mark my words.

I NEVER IN MY WILDEST DREAMS, believed that nurses aids would be allowed to pass medications, any place. Yet it is here. We allowed that to happen. What is going to stop hospitals from allowing the above scenario to occur? The BONs? They allowed medication aides to happen. They will allow anything to happen if the price is right.

JMHO and my NY $0.02.

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN

Somewhere in the PACNW

I would agree with you that hospitals will always strive to cut costs and maximize productivity, this is not always a bad thing mind you.

The medication aide experiment is pretty unusual but this has been limited to only a few facilities, and only in LTC as far as I know. CNAs/PCTs/and Caregivers have been giving medications in various settings for a long time, mostly in group homes and in assisted living settings. The rules and laws are much different in the sub acute settings.

The problem is not the hospitals, nor the BON, the problem is that we do not have a comprehensive laws concerning the practice of medicine. There is no comprehensive nursing scope of practice that defines nursing, like there is in California, and there are few vague laws concerning the practice of medicine.

Medication Aides should not be a BON decision, it should be a legislative decision.

I had to move across country for a job. While barely 50% of my classmates got job (December 2011 graduates), I am at a hospital where the new grads (May 2012) and 75% of them have job and working as a RNA (who applied and have not take license yet). They are hired evenly into Med-surg to ICU.

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
Granted that nurses have suspended their retirements and patients have suspended their elective procedures but the fact remains that they are only getting older, and sicker. Eventually we will see a dramatic increase in the patient population and a decrease in the again nursing population.

The expected flood has turned into a trickle but that does not mean that there is not a lake behind the damn.

*** No worries, a vast over supply of RN has been created. The real question in my mind is will all those RNs who were lied to going to be willing to come back to nursing? Lot's of RNs who have been unable to find work, and theres a lot of them, have and will go into other fields.

Really informative article...Thanks.

Yet another reason why I'm moving back to the East Coast after I graduate.....(not that it would be that much better there either lol but with that $5 Mill Project I wouldn't think it would be any worse)

Nursing shortage.....what a joke....Yay for me Class of 2015!! Maybe if some ladies retire I might actually be able to find a job !!! :lol2:

*** No worries, a vast over supply of RN has been created. The real question in my mind is will all those RNs who were lied to going to be willing to come back to nursing? Lot's of RNs who have been unable to find work, and theres a lot of them, have and will go into other fields.

The AZBN survey did not conclude that "lots" left nursing. Just curious if you have a survey or study that shows more than a couple of people found on Allnurses have left nursing?

Seems like most people were able to find jobs, maybe not as fast as before and not in the departments they liked but most did find employment rather quickly.

Really informative article...Thanks.

Yet another reason why I'm moving back to the East Coast after I graduate.....(not that it would be that much better there either lol but with that $5 Mill Project I wouldn't think it would be any worse)

Nursing shortage.....what a joke....Yay for me Class of 2015!! Maybe if some ladies retire I might actually be able to find a job !!! :lol2:

There are jobs available. They just aren't on every corner nor in every department.

"Banner will identify the people within its organization it thinks will make good candidates for a Bachelor of Science degree in nursing. Those participants will be educated at the Arizona State University College of Nursing.

To "fill the void" left behind by the Banner staff moving up, Castillo said Chicanos por la Causa and Maricopa Workforce Connection will work to identify new candidates looking to start careers in health care."

Wow, so they are recruiting internally? Story of the AZ healthcare system. You need to know someone to get in anywhere. That is so frustrating! And 700 RNs, about 800 RNs are produced every sesmster here.

They can spend $20 million and there will always be enough hours/work to go around - especially as the economy improves. Until you carve out an acceptable niche in this profession, floor nursing is a terrible job with high turnover. Yes, it is tougher to get a job as a new grad - but much easier than the vast majority of fields. I have never had a problem getting my hours and my overtime - even in the worst of the recession when we were overstaffed to the hilt. In fact, my pay has consistently risen every year. Bloomberg says it best, "As the economy improves, and the mostly married, female workforce quits, reduces working hours to part time or reaches retirement age, a shortage of nurses is expected again."

I bolded the significant statement. Part-time is the dream of my mostly married, female co-workers. If the situation is so dire - form a union. That is the only way to control supply and demand, as well as working conditions. We chose to live in a 'right to work state.' Deal with it or leave (not that I am a fan of right to work).

I was amazed when I heard this on the local news. I preceptor student nurses and none of them ever have any hopes about being employed. Their attitude is that there is no point in applying until after they take their boards, and will take any position just to get into obtaining that magical "one year's experience neccessary" for every job that is posted...

With attitudes like that, they will never get jobs...

Problem with today's students (i.e., kids) they want the job but want it handed to them.

As for the experience part, yes and no. Volunteering at the hospitals can help get in the door, then you have to WORK to get the job.

And sometimes, you have to take GUNT work. It sucks, but if you want the experience that is how you have to get it sometimes.

Just kinda the facts of life

The hospitals in Phoenix have no one to blame but themselves for their nursing shortage. As Banner placed on their

nurse employment site. New Grads need not apply. As older well experienced nurses at the high end of the salary range

can't get jobs either and if they are working get harrassed beyond belief and eventually quit. As the stress builds on units

it is a well known fact by older high paid nurses their nurse managers will lie about these nurses to get them off their

budget and save their own butts. Nurses need to speak up. Remember, nurses don't need the hospitals. The hospitals need

the nurses otherwise they can't function. Nursing is viewed by the hospitals as an "expense" and not a n asset. Nurses need

a union in Arizona and they need to speak up for the profession. Arizona nurses also need a forum where they can talk

about these subjects without retallation. So let Arizona spend 5 million on training new nurses. The rest of the country

can really benefit from this. All I have to say is remember health care is big business with CEOS making hundreds of

thousands a year in salaries if not sometimes millions. ARIZONA NURSES UNIONIZE UNIONIZE UNIONIZE

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