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My Visit to China: Could This Be A Reason Why Coronavirus Started There?

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Do You Think Unsanitary Conditions in China Make Ideal Breeding Grounds for Outbreaks Like the Coronavirus?

I've visited China and the wet markets where the coronavirus is believed to have started. With the conditions I saw it's not surprising that this is where the outbreak may have begun. You are reading page 2 of My Visit to China: Could This Be A Reason Why Coronavirus Started There?. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

SummitRN has 8 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in ICU + Infection Prevention.

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People living in close quarters with fowl and swine is a source of zoonosis. This has been the source of several H5N1 outbreaks in Asia. It was the genesis of the 1918 H1N1 paninfluenza (probably in Kansas) and the 2009 H1N1 "swineflu" pandemic (source probably China). It was also the genesis of H3N2 Hong Kong paninfluenza and the H2N2 Asian paninfluenza.

Bush meat is a source of zoonosis, such as with SARS and Ebola.

COVID-19 is likely a bat virus that adapted to snakes (that eat bats) before jumping to humans, quite likely via a wildlife wet market in Wuhan. That is what the initial genomic analysis shows combined with epidemiological data that the PRC will share.

I've been to China and visited wet markets. I enjoyed my trip and the people. I think a bigger cultural problem for Chinese communal eating practices with shared dishes, lazy Susans, and using personal chopstiks to server from the communal dishes. 

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I think that's what struck me wrong about the original article, the American triumphalism. I get tired of it.

No matter how this virus developed it's here now. It needs to be dealt with. But, the media hysteria is probably out of proportion as usual.

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Neo Soldier said:

This offense culture may very well kill us. 

If what this post states is accurate, then where is the racism? In parts of the world, food preparation is not regulated- this is just a fact. You could eat just about anything. I have seen actual videos on YouTube with people eating live rats. That may be their culture and while we should be sensitive, we know that rats carry disease. Lets not let our quest for sensitivity cloud our judgment as healthcare professionals. 

 

The issue is not a matter of sensitivity. The OP is speaking from a biased, condescending perspective. Let’s call a spade a spade. It’s racist &  xenophobic. No one is sensitive for calling the poster out. It’s necessary for growth as a culture & profession. 

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3 hours ago, Asystole RN said:

This article reeks of xenophobia and lightly veiled racism. 

Coronavirus was first identified in China so the Chinese must have done something to cause it. Chinese culture is different from western culture so those differences must have caused it. 

Not dissimilar to the hype that blamed HIV on homosexuals or the patently racist MSG hype around Chinese restaurants. 

The fact is little is actually known about the origins of the virus, it is far too early to make any claims. OMG, you saw someone eat a whole fish with a head and scales and everything!?!?! Pretty damn common practice in Northern Michigan. "The overall attitude though is not one of cleanliness and sanitation." Based on what? This is different from who exactly? Ever been to a Broncos game? 

Blaming this on Chinese culture with literally ZERO evidence is the height of xenophobia and racism. 

Let's pump the breaks a little here on the racism train. It's quite the stretch comparing eye-witness accounts of food prep to blaming HIV on homosexuals. The only personal opinions given above were that China is an amazing country with unbelievable attractions. The rest were either straight forward observations or facts. For example:

- China is classified as a developing country by the World Trade Organization. 

- "The fact is little is actually known about the origins of the virus..." That's incorrect, several major news organizations site scientists who link the coronavirus to Chinese wet markets. Here's one example, there are more if you search google: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-deadly-originated-wild-animal-wet-markets-urging-chinese-government-shut-down/

"The overall attitude though is not one of cleanliness and sanitation." Based on what? This is different from who exactly? Ever been to a Broncos game?" 
It's based on my eyeballs seeing a lack of cleanliness and sanitation and speaking with Chinese citizens who described the situation to me. 
I haven't been to a Broncos game but I have been to many other stadiums around the country. I haven't seen wild animals being butchered (like I saw in China) at any of the NFL games I've been to but I wouldn't put it past those darn Minnesota Vikings! 

- "Blaming this on Chinese culture with literally ZERO evidence is the height of xenophobia and racism."
Chinese culture wasn't blamed. Documented food prep standards were blamed. And I wouldn't say "zero evidence" considering the following publications all quote doctors and scientists linking the coronavirus to China: NBC, CBS, Business Insider, Fortune, Huffington Post, Reuters, Wall St. Journal, NPR and many more. I guess they are all racist too??
The other evidence is the fact that I have been to a Chinese wet market and recorded my observations without bias in the article. And again, the only opinions from above were complimentary of China. 

If you're looking to be outraged you'll find an excuse I guess. 

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Did you say you visited the wet market in Beijing or Wuhan? Cuz they are not the same city. Corona virus outbreak started in Wuhan, not Beijing. Plz don’t generalize cities in China. You went to Beijing MONTHS BEFORE THE OUTBREAK.

You also don’t have the local living expertise to generalize foreign cities as a foreigner. Are the regulations from state to state the same? Obviously not. 
Lastly, that bat soup picture can be searched online and can be from any unknown sources in the World Wide Web. Easy for you to cast a negative spotlight on China. 

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Wow, are we medical professionals here. How are stating facts that wet markets have poor hygiene racist and xenophobic.  I think most of us know that different cultures have different practices and I dont see any problem pointing out the negative aspects of those in order to remain healthy. I have also traveled to parts of the world where I would not eat from these types of markets, that is not racist.

Most officials believe that the Coronavirus started in Wuhan since that is where the virus was identified, again not racist when that is what officials stated.

Geez, cant a guy just write an article about his personal experience and ask a question about hygiene. We healthcare professionals (as well as the general public) should care about this.

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1 hour ago, Gregg said:

Let's pump the breaks a little here on the racism train. It's quite the stretch comparing eye-witness accounts of food prep to blaming HIV on homosexuals. The only personal opinions given above were that China is an amazing country with unbelievable attractions. The rest were either straight forward observations or facts. For example:

- China is classified as a developing country by the World Trade Organization. 

- "The fact is little is actually known about the origins of the virus..." That's incorrect, several major news organizations site scientists who link the coronavirus to Chinese wet markets. Here's one example, there are more if you search google: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-deadly-originated-wild-animal-wet-markets-urging-chinese-government-shut-down/

"The overall attitude though is not one of cleanliness and sanitation." Based on what? This is different from who exactly? Ever been to a Broncos game?" 
It's based on my eyeballs seeing a lack of cleanliness and sanitation and speaking with Chinese citizens who described the situation to me. 
I haven't been to a Broncos game but I have been to many other stadiums around the country. I haven't seen wild animals being butchered (like I saw in China) at any of the NFL games I've been to but I wouldn't put it past those darn Minnesota Vikings! 

- "Blaming this on Chinese culture with literally ZERO evidence is the height of xenophobia and racism."
Chinese culture wasn't blamed. Documented food prep standards were blamed. And I wouldn't say "zero evidence" considering the following publications all quote doctors and scientists linking the coronavirus to China: NBC, CBS, Business Insider, Fortune, Huffington Post, Reuters, Wall St. Journal, NPR and many more. I guess they are all racist too??
The other evidence is the fact that I have been to a Chinese wet market and recorded my observations without bias in the article. And again, the only opinions from above were complimentary of China. 

If you're looking to be outraged you'll find an excuse I guess. 

It is my hope that you do know that certain facts can be used to gain bias. For instance, there is a prevalence of incest in certain demographics in parts of America, one can take such statistics and make broad generalization about an entire country. How unfair would it be if a person came here and went to say Apalachia and then generalized his observations there to an entire country? Your premise of concern regarding the virus is valid; however, the unmitigated bias of your analysis compounded with sanctimonious innuendos leave much to be desired, especially from an Admin. 

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When I did my home health rotations, I was surprised at the lack of hygiene inside American households. Out of 12 houses, only 1 was decent enough for us to sit down. The smell of cat/dog urine reeked in several houses. Wise men once said that charity begins at home, and we ought to look at the log in our eyes before we point the splinter in the eyes of others. On the hygiene front, we should lead by example, not wagging fingers. 

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14 minutes ago, cynical-RN said:

When I did my home health rotations, I was surprised at the lack of hygiene inside American households. Out of 12 houses, only 1 was decent enough for us to sit down. 

Not to be... cynical... but ever think that the reason they need home health visits also makes it hard for those disadvantaged people to do their own home cleaning and maintenance? 😉

Now why don't you compare that to the households of 12 of your friends who are not health disadvantaged and needing HH visits?

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It's also common practice among Chinese to spit everywhere. In New Zealand (which gets a lot of Chinese tourists) there are signs (in Chinese and English) in the airport imploring people not to spit on the flooring/carpets.

And don't get me started on the skinning-alive of dogs.. (thanks facebook for that image that I'll never un-see.

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23 minutes ago, SummitRN said:

Not to be... cynical... but ever think that the reason they need home health visits also makes it hard for those disadvantaged people to do their own home cleaning and maintenance? 😉

Now why don't you compare that to the households of 12 of your friends who are not health disadvantaged and needing HH visits?

Actually, many of these HH patients live with perfectly able-bodied family members. Living in squalor is a choice they have made. 

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47 minutes ago, cynical-RN said:

It is my hope that you do know that certain facts can be used to gain bias. For instance, there is a prevalence of incest in certain demographics in parts of America, one can take such statistics and make broad generalization about an entire country. How unfair would it be if a person came here and went to say Apalachia and then generalized his observations there to an entire country? Your premise of concern regarding the virus is valid; however, the unmitigated bias of your analysis compounded with sanctimonious innuendos leave much to be desired, especially from an Admin. 

Umm, I think you just did the very thing that you accuse the OP of doing.

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