I live in Massachusetts and Grad. ( god willing in May with an ADN). The word on the street in Boston is that the major teaching hospitals are not taking new ADN grads and are only taking BSN's due to MAGNET status that they have aquired or that they want to aquire. For example Mass General has Magnet Status, it now will not hire an ADN nurse as a new grad. Brigham and Beth Israel are trying to get it and are now excluding us. This forces us to stay closer to the community hospitals. Are any other nurses around the country running into this? I thought magnet status was to help us, not exclude us. I am all for furthering my education once I get employed, but I have a family to support that is why I did the 2 year approach.. Please tell me what you are finding where you guys live?
How are people dealing with this issue, should I try to get in as a CNA and then get an RN job from within? Any suggestions?
Same problem here in Salem Oregon. Salem Hospital is going after their so called Magnet Status and it sucks for us who just graduated with our ADNs. Out of 36 of who applied for the New Grad program they only hired 15. Last year they hired all of the new grads that had applied and even came to our school to recruit. Now that they are doing the magnet status thing we aren't getting jobs at the hospital as they want BSNs, or one year acute care in a hospital setting.
Recently, I applied for another New Grad posting they had for Acute Care and their requirements were experienced RN or BSN perferred. I emailed the HR department and asked why I hadn't been called in for interview yet and they specially said "They were interviewing expereiced first, then BSN and if they needed any more after that they would go onto the ADNs. " This made me feel like crap. Here I worked my ass off for the last two years in nursing school to be told I would be at the bottom of the barrel for interviewing. There are two more hospitals in the area Eugene and Corvallis, which are following suit. What is a new grad to do? I feel so degraded by them it makes me think if I really want to work for them with that attitude.
I did get a job at a LTC/SNF facility, but this is not where I want to be. I just hate this situation. What does make me feel good is that my current employer says "I can't believe we were able to get you as a nurse here, because you rock" One RCM thought I had been in the medical field for years. I only have 9 months as an LPN and the rest is in the legal field for 15 plus years. They tell this is me often and it is not the same person. I know I can kick ass in a hospital setting and that is what I want to do. I am planning on getting my BSN but wanted to save some money to do it. I am also 45 years old and I thought I was going to be done with school.
I have nothing in writing for Brigham except for last years grads having trouble here is what Mass General says about New Grad Req's on their website: I think I am just going to get a CNA job and hope I can get in from within. Seems like a good idea.
A heads-up: a lot of hospitals are not willing to hire a RN as a CNA. Many places don't want to waste the time/resources on CNA training for you when they know you'll leave the CNA job the minute a RN spot opens up. There's also a whole bunch of potential liability issues as well.
But since you're still an student, you may have better luck getting in as a CNA if you do it now, before you graduate, because right now you are not a RN.
Either way, you've got nothing to lose by trying! :)
Well if a few hospitals are wanting a year experience before hire, it could work out for the postitive in that, if you make an a$$ of yourself learning during your first year, you'll be able to enter a new hospital with your game on. You can drop that new Grad stigma deal and leave it behind you. Business-wise if you can get people who have weathered the first awful year, and have decided to stay in the game, you have just saved yourself some money. Mistake they are making is the BSN/ADN differential. Ah, marketing, marketing. That is all it is folks.
I can tell you for an absolute fact that whether or not a hospital hires ADN has zero bearing on their Magnet status.
I'm an ADN grad, our hospital is now going through our first renewal to maintain it...and they hired several new nurses out of this graduating class that had ADN's.
If you look, the OP was in 2006. Much has changed economically in '09. Facilities are on the right side of the stick now, and can pick and choose who they want. Most want the BSNs that they can get for the same money as an ADN. It may not be fair, but in this economy, it's how it is. When the economy turns around, it won't be this way, believe me.
That "Magnet Status" should be yet another instrument of the ANA to push BSN nurses should come as no surprise. Having tried for almost forty years to make a four year degree mandatory for entry into the profession (with two and three year nurses becoming "technical" nurses), with various amounts of success they still have not managed to convince one state to restrict RN licences to four year grads only. So now you see a new front launched. What could not be achieved by legislative action, perhaps can happen by going around the back door of the barn, influence employers of nurses (by and large hospitals) and the general public.
By and large hospitals today are all about slick advertising, indeed as often pertains to things run by men, giant ******* contests if one will, touting their size, equipment and outcome. These adverts go on and one about procedures, state of the art this and state of the art that, finally towards end a bit about ".... awarded Magnet status for nursing excellence".
Dirty little secret is that most hospitals and other clinical settings do not pay that much more, if any for BSN nurses. Oh they will take them if they can get them cheaply, but if one considers at least for bedside nursing, the type of degree (or absence in the case of diploma nurses), matters very little. Indeed the entire purpose of the BSN was to prepare nurses NOT to be at bedside. A four year degree holder has many more options for employment even if that degree is in nursing, something hospitals find out as BSN grads who "didn't go to nursing school for this" head out the door.
As for requiring experienced nurses only need apply, hospitals have never been too keen on orientation programs for new grads, as it means they must spend money and time training a GN or new RN to bring them up to standard. However given the high turnover of recent grads, many hospitals consider that investment wasted. Better to hire someone who has at least worked a year or so in their opinion. First they have been "trained" by someone else, and second at least the chances of them bolting from post school shock as to what nurses actually do is lessened.
Many, many hospitals have tried to go with all BSN staff, in the end the scheme often fails and they are forced to "lower" their standards and hire ADN grads. Quite simply put the United States does not educate enough nurses, much less BSN grads to make the thing work. Right now for various reasons there seems to be a lull in the "nursing shortage", at least in some areas, but sooner or later that will change.
Same problem here in Salem Oregon. Salem Hospital is going after their so called Magnet Status and it sucks for us who just graduated with our ADNs. Out of 36 of who applied for the New Grad program they only hired 15. Last year they hired all of the new grads that had applied and even came to our school to recruit. Now that they are doing the magnet status thing we aren't getting jobs at the hospital as they want BSNs, or one year acute care in a hospital setting.
Recently, I applied for another New Grad posting they had for Acute Care and their requirements were experienced RN or BSN perferred. I emailed the HR department and asked why I hadn't been called in for interview yet and they specially said "They were interviewing expereiced first, then BSN and if they needed any more after that they would go onto the ADNs. " This made me feel like crap. Here I worked my ass off for the last two years in nursing school to be told I would be at the bottom of the barrel for interviewing. There are two more hospitals in the area Eugene and Corvallis, which are following suit. What is a new grad to do? I feel so degraded by them it makes me think if I really want to work for them with that attitude.
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What is happening to you has nothing to do with Salem Hospital pursuing MAGNET status and everything to do with the 12% unemplyment rate in Oregon. New grad programs are being scaled back, there are hiring freezes in place at the majority of the hospitals and from a cost standpoint it's cheaper for them to hire & train experience or more educated nurses than it is a new ADN grad.
As of TODAY Salem Hospital has 12 job listings for RNs. West valley has none. It isn't any better in the metro area. Not to sound unkind but if you've found a job be glad for it.
Heck, the entire Providence system in Oregon only has 24 RN jobs posted.
my hospital recently received magnet status and i agree with everything workingforskies stated above.
here's where some of you are confused about the bsn thing:
it is not a requirement that all of the staff nurses have bsn's in order for a hospital to get magnet status.
however, it is preferred and encouraged. the hospital does need to have a certain proportion of their staff nurses have bsn's. magnet frowns on seeing a hospital where all of their highest educated nurses are working away from the bedside and the bedside nurses consist primarily of lpn's and adn's.
magnet wants to see the hospital having programs in place encouraging educational mobility of it's nurses so that they do eventually all become bsn's. this was the only benefit i ever saw from working at a magnet hospital. mine will pay all the way through a phd in nursing if i so desired with no out of pocket expenses for me.
when the magnet people were visiting my facility, my manager had big posters up stating which nurses were currently in school and what their degree goals were.
she also bragged about the fact that we no longer hire lvn's in any inpatient area and that this was considered to be some "improvement" in providing higher quality patient care.
as a former lvn, i was extremely offended by those statements and let her know that.
the whole magnet thing has left a very bad taste in my mouth.
i am currently looking for a scholarly article on how nurses really feel about magnet status. so far i can only find notes on this web site. has anyone read other article i am use as a source? kathy
It isn't all "hooey" as someone said so eloquently lol Actually, for magnet you have to have a certain percentage of your RN's as BSN. Where I work, they are only hiring BSN...do I think it is right...nope not at all. I have several friends that went back to school and when ADN because of cost, etc and now can't get into the Big Three in the area. Sucks.
I would still put the applications in on the off chance they can't fill some positions and will consider ADN.
This thread is really old but since people are still looking at it...
I graduate in December with my ADN and I was hired at a hospital that is working toward magnet status with the promise of a nursing position after graduation. Just my 2 cents!
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Same problem here in Salem Oregon. Salem Hospital is going after their so called Magnet Status and it sucks for us who just graduated with our ADNs. Out of 36 of who applied for the New Grad program they only hired 15. Last year they hired all of the new grads that had applied and even came to our school to recruit. Now that they are doing the magnet status thing we aren't getting jobs at the hospital as they want BSNs, or one year acute care in a hospital setting.
Recently, I applied for another New Grad posting they had for Acute Care and their requirements were experienced RN or BSN perferred. I emailed the HR department and asked why I hadn't been called in for interview yet and they specially said "They were interviewing expereiced first, then BSN and if they needed any more after that they would go onto the ADNs. " This made me feel like crap. Here I worked my ass off for the last two years in nursing school to be told I would be at the bottom of the barrel for interviewing. There are two more hospitals in the area Eugene and Corvallis, which are following suit. What is a new grad to do? I feel so degraded by them it makes me think if I really want to work for them with that attitude.
I did get a job at a LTC/SNF facility, but this is not where I want to be. I just hate this situation. What does make me feel good is that my current employer says "I can't believe we were able to get you as a nurse here, because you rock" One RCM thought I had been in the medical field for years. I only have 9 months as an LPN and the rest is in the legal field for 15 plus years. They tell this is me often and it is not the same person. I know I can kick ass in a hospital setting and that is what I want to do. I am planning on getting my BSN but wanted to save some money to do it. I am also 45 years old and I thought I was going to be done with school.
Any advice?? Depressed Nurse.