Local hospital now says "BSN or MSN preferred" for all bedside positions?!

Nursing Students ADN/BSN

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My goodness, I was just getting used to seeing "BSN preferred" at many a big-city hospital in my region. It's not such a thing at the smaller community hospitals in my area as of now, though. Being that it is my Sunday off, I thought I'd look at the nearest big city hospitals' job postings and one in the area has the gumption to request not only BSN-holding, but *MSN* -holding nurses for all bedside positions. Not management. Bedside, direct patient care nurses. Do my eyes deceive me? Has anyone else seen or heard of this going on in their area too??

I'm sure more education is always a good thing, but COME ON! Do you think this hospital is asking too much?

I have seen the degree trend passing through all lines of work. Some private companies require a 4-yr just to answer the phone! It is crazy! And scary. I have a background in accounting and a lot of experience in it. That goes further than someone fresh out of college. Sure, they may know some technicalities that I may not, but they don't yet know how to handle the job. It's ridiculous and offensive that they (the fresh-out-of-college kid) are getting paid more, even if just a few dollars, for doing the same job.

This trend isn't just in nursing. Looking from the bottom up, I thought the trend in nursing is intended to keep community college grads out of the workforce.

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Specializes in PCCN.
What's wrong with "community college"? Why is it "lesser"? Does one not still have to pass the NCLEX? Or is there a special NCLEX for "community college" students?

Kinda ( or is it kind of, lol)my point in other conversation. Seems that community college education is seen as low class, especially when viewed from people who have higher degrees, or had the resources for higher education.

Yes, despite ADN and BSN taking the same qualifying Nclex, it's out there that ADN's are inferior.

Not my opinion, just an observation. Adn was my background, and I had been told I was good a what I did. Now that BSN's are the baseline, I'm nothing more that a high paid buttwiper.

Wonder if that changes when I get that magical BSN???

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Degree inflation AND snobbery. Fun times ahead.... I just checked my locals and no one here is requiring a MSN or BSN. They all say graduate of accredited school, and mostly are asking for 2yrs experience in hospitals. Hey! I might have a shot after all!

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Kinda ( or is it kind of, lol)my point in other conversation. Seems that community college education is seen as low class, especially when viewed from people who have higher degrees, or had the resources for higher education.

Yes, despite ADN and BSN taking the same qualifying Nclex, it's out there that ADN's are inferior.

Not my opinion, just an observation. Adn was my background, and I had been told I was good a what I did. Now that BSN's are the baseline, I'm nothing more that a high paid buttwiper.

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Wonder if that changes when I get that magical BSN???

Oh goodness. The kind of people who look down on community college grads are out of touch with the vast majority of earthlings! It's silly and sad to the point it's *almost* funny! Those types who lack common sense and original thought are what's wrong with this country. Keep your head up because you have plenty to be proud of!!!

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Thanks for reminding me. Going by my CC peers, it is what you put into the education that counts. I take mine as seriously as any university education and I work very hard. College at any level is a privilege and an honor. It's not something to be taken for granted. I see too many that complain about instructors and professors, and it is just sad. I've only encountered three so far that I have issues with. Two are just not great at teaching and are bitter, one more so than the other, another is a good teacher but is mean and bitter. I'm too old for that crap. But I stick it out anyway b/c I know that's what the real world is all about.

Back to the subject at hand- I was glad to see that my area doesn't require an MSN for entry-level nursing positions.

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Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
Actually, yes. my place keeps asking us to join committees, present research posters, unit councils, etc.

Kind of hard to be a member when I am elbow deep in poop x 4 + pts. Or I am needed for 1:1 confused pts that I'm assigned that keep falling because they will not stay put.

This is where I don't understand the Bsn thing in regards to Patient care. They want to take away aides, techs, etc, so that leaves the nurses to do the work . Do I really need a Bsn to do the nitty gritty of patient care??

Very simple- corporations want to have their cake and eat it too.

I know the value of a BSN- I am actually 3 classes away from completion. But the way it is being used is NOT the intention of the degree. I still think it's the corporation's prestige component.

I only finish it because I had hoped to get away from bedside care, and also saw the writing on the wall that employer was going to require it for continued employment anyway.

​I don't get this preoccupation with arts and crafts. Adult professionals having to make posters is just ridiculous.

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Specializes in Nurse Scientist-Research.
​I don't get this preoccupation with arts and crafts. Adult professionals having to make posters is just ridiculous.

Yea, I was right there with you a couple of years ago. I thought posters were some kind of local obsession. Then I got into my Research class and started getting all these "hits" that were poster presentations (though sadly the material wasn't really available online). Yea, turns out that though a poster can be done very simply and non-professionally; they are a long-standing tradition in the sciences and not some soft concept dreamt up by bored nursing leaders. Who knew?

I've gone to a couple of poster presentations at my hospital and found them quite enlightening. Must admit, some of them were a little too much "arts and crafts" and not enough substance but I would hope that at a higher level, the quality would be improved.

Miller, J.E. (2007). Preparing and presenting effective research posters. Health Services Research, 42 (1, pt 1), 311-328.

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Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
​I don't get this preoccupation with arts and crafts. Adult professionals having to make posters is just ridiculous.

Poster presentations are huge parts of many professional conferences. Not just in nursing, either.

Or, what Tiffy said. Should have read further.

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Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
​I don't get this preoccupation with arts and crafts. Adult professionals having to make posters is just ridiculous.

Calling poster presentations "arts and crafts" is really petty and shows ignorance of what they really are. They force one to condense and transfer large ideas in a small space - a specialized form of communication and teaching. Kind of like what we do when we send a new cardiac home on a slew of meds, some of which have a small margin of safety.

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