Karen MD started YouTube channel to bash nurses and NP

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I was so appalled to stumble upon this channel where an MD bashes nursing profession and makes us sound like dangerous criminals. The channel calls Patient at Risk. What are your thoughts on it

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Specializes in Hospice.

I haven't seen the channel, so I have to go with your characterization. My first reaction is the old AA motto: take what you need and leave the rest.

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Thank you. I was hoping we could educate her about our profession in the comments. Since she is trying to "educate the public" for us. 

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Specializes in ER.

She's a Karen, what else need be said??

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Benzodiazepine said:

Thank you. I was hoping we could educate her about our profession in the comments. Since she is trying to "educate the public" for us. 

Is this the channel that is specifically about the discrepancy in training at the provider level? If so what are your thoughts on that?

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Hi. Which video are you referring to. Just front the headlines alone it seems like the channel is promoting public distrust in our profession while nursing continuesly being named as the most ethical profession. One example of the videos they post is "7-yo dies just hours after evaluation by pediatric NP". I myself work in one of the largest hospital systems in the country. And can tell you patients die after being evaluated by the physicians too. 

To answer your question about out education. I might agree to an extent. But the purpose of the channel is not trying to offer any suppory or solution. 

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Benzodiazepine said:

Which video are you referring to.

I'm not referring to any video. The Patients at Risk channel is about the discrepancy in education.

Benzodiazepine said:

One example of the videos they post is "7-yo dies just hours after evaluation by pediatric NP". I myself work in one of the largest hospital systems in the country. And can tell you patients die after being evaluated by the physicians too. 

Yes, not a particularly strong defense, but still true.

Benzodiazepine said:

To answer your question about out education. I might agree to an extent. But the purpose of the channel is not trying to offer any suppory or solution. 

It is not up to them to provide support. I would imagine their solution involves not having people with very little nursing experience and relatively few educational hours doing "the exact same job as a physician" (as can be heard ad nauseam in some nursing circles--not all).

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I appreciate your feedback. Great discussion. Having attended both medschool (granted only for a year, was personal choice to withdraw) , nursing school and NP school I could offer my own vision on the problem. This particular channel is inspired by the doctors who feel threatened by the increasing scope of NPs. Maybe I'm spoiled by the incredibly smart and hard working NPs I get to work alongside with.

   The training that doctors go through is incredibly hard and enables them to treat the most complex cases (obviously). I'd say at least 50 percent of the patients we see do not require over qualified care (and being overcharged for it). An NP can EASILY diagnose and treat them. We never had any adverse effects caused by an incompetent NP. Just shows how it can be beneficial for all when doctors and NPs treat each other with respect not bash or downplays each other's role on YouTube channels. This particular channel goes as far as suggesting NPs shouldnt be called providers as it is misleading to the patients. And this is MY problem with THIS particular channel. My friend just had a skin tag removed  by a doc who charged her 3k for it. Really? Even a mediocre trained NP can do it for a fraction of the cost . The more complex cases can be referred to docs. 

Is there a problem with the system ... yes. Just like there are many other issues with Healthcare (education, insurance....). But this is not what this discussion is all about. 

 If (like you mentioned in your response) it's not up to them to provide the support then it's not up to them to criticize all the NPs out there. 

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Benzodiazepine said:

This particular channel is inspired by the doctors who feel threatened by the increasing scope of NPs.

Analogies are never perfect but out of curiosity how would you feel if this sort of issue was between nurses and healthcare techs? In other words, if someone with less education and training than you claimed to do the same exact job you do every day with the same understandings and proficiencies  with a mere fraction of the training such that having the same understandings and proficiencies was rather unlikely or at least not baked-in, widespread proficiency across the profession claiming to have them?

Benzodiazepine said:

Just shows how it can be beneficial for all when doctors and NPs treat each other with respect

Do you consider the claims and activities of the large NP lobbies to be respectful?

Benzodiazepine said:

The more complex cases can be referred to docs. 

But there appears to be very little official mechanism (requirement) for what you're describing. And, of course, the ones with the fraction of education/exposure would be in the position to decide what is complex and what isn't, which, as you know is not always apparent (I.e. when people don't know what they don't know)

Benzodiazepine said:

If (like you mentioned in your response) it's not up to them to provide the support then it's not up to them to criticize all the NPs out there. 

I disagree. They sure can if they want to. Just like I would respond if someone came at me with "can do the exact same job as an RN but can do it just as well for less money." Or if RNs started saying that they know as much as most of the NPs and the only reason they can't diagnose and treat is because of NPs feeling "threatened." ? That seems like it would be quite a fight, now, doesn't it?

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While I haven't watched any of the videos, nor do I intend to, the Patient's at Risk YouTube channel.  If this is the channel you're referring to, it appears to be based on the book Patients at Risk: The Rise of the Nurse Practitioner and Physician Assistant in Healthcare by Dr. Niran Al-Agba and Dr. Rebekah Bernard as Dr. Bernard seems to be in many, if not all of the videos.

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Well that's not what the channel is about. They are not rebuking NPs claims of being "equal". The videos are about nitpicking articles and cases that diminish the value of NPs (in general) thus undermining our specialty in the eyes of the public. There is no credit given to those well qualified wonderful caring poviders. Again if you refer to my original post is not about the issue the field is facing but how this channel is negating nurses value. 

 LOL to nurses and tech analogy. I'm yet to see nurses starting a you tube channel to bash techs. To me it's a very unethical passive aggressive way to show your superiority. Why not start a channel about how our Healthcare can benefit from well trained professionals. State a problem and offer a solution. 

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Benzodiazepine said:

I'm yet to see nurses starting a you tube channel to bash techs.

Maybe that's because they are not making these kinds of claims?? Just maybe?

ETA: Also not sure we're talking about the same YT channel; I am referring to the Patients at Risk channel, which is the title you mentioned in your OP, not sure who Karen MD is.

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