Karen MD started YouTube channel to bash nurses and NP

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I was so appalled to stumble upon this channel where an MD bashes nursing profession and makes us sound like dangerous criminals. The channel calls Patient at Risk. What are your thoughts on it

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Emergent said:

She's a Karen, what else need be said??

Right, when I saw the username was KAREN MD, I wondered if this might be a parody channel 

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JKL33 said:

That is, in part, why I am against the concept of so-and-so must supervise and co-sign, just like with the recent thread about LPNs--not as any kind of indictment against the people themselves, it's just an issue I think is unjust overall.

I totally agree that being assigned responsibility for someone else's work can lead to problems. And I'm sure that in multi-provider offices some of them have no say in who is hired but then they're forced to be responsible for that person's work. 

I don't even disagree with some of what they are saying. I'm sure that there are many NPs that are very capable of independent practice, but not everyone. However, in the end, I think it comes down to the fact that all healthcare workers are human and mistakes happen, accidents happen, bad luck happens, to NPs, PAs, MDs, RNs, Techs, etc.

We as NPs are all aware that our education is not the same as a doctor, otherwise we would expect compensation on the same level as a doctor. At least in my position and experience, I am glad to have attendings that I work with who seem to respect my skillset, but are also invested in teaching me when they can. And I fill a need for the organization and my attending. He or she doesn't want to write 11 progress notes in a day, so that's my job. But we round, we collaborate and there is communication. I guess in something like a busy primary care office, there may not be a collaborative environment, so the supervisory relationship could be more challenging.

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Eye roll. Umm we all get that you're "super smart" here Karen MD, and yes you went to medical school. That however does not make you better than anyone else. And if you have the audacity to think you, alone, are more suited to take care of patients then a whole interdisciplinary team, be my guest. You hang the Vanco, you check the vitals, you do the education. Oh and don't forget to do all the intimate care, and take out the trash on your way out too! Shout out to all the healthcare workers- we don't need this kind of BS.

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JBMmom said:

We as NPs are all aware that our education is not the same as a doctor, otherwise we would expect compensation on the same level as a doctor. At least in my position and experience, I am glad to have attendings that I work with who seem to respect my skillset, but are also invested in teaching me when they can. And I fill a need for the organization and my attending. He or she doesn't want to write 11 progress notes in a day, so that's my job. But we round, we collaborate and there is communication. I guess in something like a busy primary care office, there may not be a collaborative environment, so the supervisory relationship could be more challenging.

Agree--although there seem to be a number of us who do not agree and focus on feeling slighted and disrespected when there is any suggestion of the differences in the two roles or discussion of criticisms, claiming that (legitimate) criticisms are a mere matter of lack of collegiality and being attacked, while at the same time supporting other claims that are beyond fanciful. I think it's embarrassing and want no association with it.

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Huh. Not sure who this response was addressed to. But honey, pretty sure they teach reading and comprehension somewhere in the 5th grade. Please take your time to reread the thread. Not a single person her made those claims. Ignorance at its best SMH. And then YOU have the audacity to leave a post that has nothing to do with what is being discussed. 

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Benzodiazepine said:

Huh. Not sure who this response was addressed to. But honey, pretty sure they teach reading and comprehension somewhere in the 5th grade. Please take your time to reread the thread. Not a single person her made those claims. Ignorance at its best SMH. And then YOU have the audacity to leave a post that has nothing to do with what is being discussed. 

I'm not sure who you are addressing since you didn't quote anyone. My response was to the person whose quote is included.

Anyway, what are you talking about?

Who is honey?

Who said someone "her" made those claims?

 

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My comment was adressed To vintagegal. 

Rivalry between doctors and nurses has a long history.  Although the relationship between the two profession has come a long way and shouting, yelling and otherwise degrading nurses is no longer the norm, the tension is obviously still there. This conflict directly affects public trust, quality of care and job satisfaction.  In my opinion since bullying is no longer tolerated at work place , creating you tube channels is a passive aggressive way of bullying. As none of the video suggest a solution or any credit given to our profession. There should be interdisciplinary collaboration, not cinsistent diminishing our role in the delivery of care to the patients. We all know doctors can be plain mean yet taking to social media is sneaky at best and not professional.  There are other way to address their concerns. Nowhere have I mentioned that NP are equal to doctors but I do agree that there are areas or procedures that just don't require advanced skills and can be performed by an NP just as skillfully as by a doctor. For example I can start an IV better and faster than any doctor I know. I see your point JKL33 , thank you for sharing with us your vision on this topic

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This just gave me a million dollar idea. A simple Google search and I might have the best topics to talk about on my YouTube channel about practicing physicians. 

"Withholding treatment to meet budgetary or insurance policy concerns

"Upcoding" to secure patient treatment from an insurer

Covering up a mistake

Taking money from medical device manufacturers or pharmaceutical companies

Failing to report an impaired colleague

Working while impaired by alcohol or drugs

Becoming romantically involved with patients or family members of a patient

Cherry-picking patients

Breaching patient confidentiality (violating HIPAA regulations)

Joking about patients or acting inappropriately while a patient is under anesthesia"

https://www.theweitzfirm.com/articles/what-do-when-doctor-unethical-behavior-crosses-legal-boundary.shtml#:~:text=Becoming romantically involved with patients,a patient is under anesthesia

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Since nursing professionals is named as the most ethical I feel like it is my duty to educate the public about the danger that may wait on patients when seeing their doctor. And a little bit of criticism will not hurt nobody,  right? Obviously I'm being sarcastic and I wouldn't throw my colleagues under the bus. But to each their own. 

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Benzodiazepine said:

Obviously I'm being sarcastic and I wouldn't throw my colleagues under the bus. But to each their own.

I try to live my life by assuming good intent of the people around me, maybe a bit pollyanna-ish of me, but that's my choice. I think that the MDs I saw on the Patients At Risk channel really think they are doing a public service by educating people about risks of seeing providers that aren't as highly trained as they are. They even had some positive things to say in the episode I watched, it was not all bashing NPs and PAs. They have concerns about a system that lets people practice on par with physicians that don't have the level of training. 

But there are unethical or poorly trained people in every profession in the world. Extrapolating a few examples to a whole field isn't the right thing, either. And your post above highlights just that same thing. 

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Benzodiazepine said:

Huh. Not sure who this response was addressed to. But honey, pretty sure they teach reading and comprehension somewhere in the 5th grade. Please take your time to reread the thread. Not a single person her made those claims. Ignorance at its best SMH. And then YOU have the audacity to leave a post that has nothing to do with what is being discussed. 

Bahahaha this was not a post about you! LOL ? It was addressed to the bone head that made the YouTube channel.

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vintagegal said:

Bahahaha this was not a post about you! LOL ? It was addressed to the bone head that made the YouTube channel.

I apologize,  misunderstanding 

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