Joint Commission had me for lunch.

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This is a vent. I got cornered by a surveyor yesterday. Patient was 98, post op ortho, lost a liter of blood in the OR, got transfused but needed a dose of a pressor after he dumped his pressure upon arrival to the PACU. White as the sheet. Anesthesia encourages me to start small with any pain meds I give. Did I mention the history of kidney disease?

Here comes the JC to question me about my care. ALL they cared about was if I was following the 1-10 pain scale, and if the pain meds were ordered according to that pain scale. (They were) They didn't like my mention of nursing judgement regarding the low BP upon arrival and my choice to start at the lower dose (which was within ordered parameters.) they demanded to see the orders for the parameters for the low BP r/t the pain meds. A co-worker jumped in to intervene at that point; she was quicker at pulling up the info they wanted.

I transferred the patient to the ICU then went to lunch. I was then told that the JC had demanded to see my file to assess my competencies. Director sent them to HR, as I am on orientation, and she didn't have anything to show them. I was pretty upset at that, even though everyone told me not to worry. Anesthesia MD said to me that if we are ONLY going to medicate according to the 1-10 pain scale without looking at the whole picture of what's going on with the patient we would kill a lot of patients. A robot could medicate that way. Do you think the JC will be there to have our backs after that kind of fallout? I doubt it. For the record, I did medicate the patient for pain twice, and he was comfortable and safe when he left my care.

Specializes in MICU, SICU, CICU.

I can empathize, the JC was at my facility once and wanted to observe a rapid response call if it happened. Of course one was called and I was the charge nurse that responded and got to deal with a decompensating liver patient and coordinate moving her to the ICU, while the survey team, my manager, the floor manager, the CSU director and the VP of nursing all stood in the doorway watching. Then after getting her to the ICU they all wanted to sit down and discuss the rapid response, even though by that point the unit was busy and I was still trying to relieve as many nurses for lunch as I could.

Specializes in Med/Surge, Psych, LTC, Home Health.

I would HATE to be a state surveyor. Could not do that job, nope.

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.
I would HATE to be a state surveyor. Could not do that job, nope.

I couldn't either, which is why we came to a mutual parting of the ways four months into the job. Part of the problem was I was too friendly toward the staff---I lacked the poker face and the killer instinct. I just didn't want to be the kind of surveyor who goes around intimidating people.....I know all too well what that felt like. Oh well, it was worth trying.

Specializes in PCCN.

This is another reason why I want to leave nursing.You get punished for having critical thinking.

Whats up with this damn pain scale anyhow???I get the pain scale.I understand that.What I don't understand is the push for the pain scale 1-10, yet MD's are being told they are over prescibing pain meds.

No win situation. Or is that what the JC really wants?????

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

Well, they have to have something to justify their phony-baloney jobs, don't they?

Specializes in NICU, ICU, PICU, Academia.

JC is surveying our hospital next week. I get off work at 0730 Monday morning, and don't come back until 1900 on Friday.

I am one VERY happy nurse right now!

Specializes in EDUCATION;HOMECARE;MATERNAL-CHILD; PSYCH.

One of the reasons why Nursing is a profession is that as nurses, we have to use critical thinking and our knowledge to practice. Just because a Doctor ordered a medication to be given for pain, BP, temperature, etc, does not mean that we have to blindly give the medication. As professionals with knowledge, we have to assess our patients before giving that medication. If we cannot make that judgment, then why go to nursing school and learn about pathophysiology, pharmacology, sciences, etc. In fact, any Tom, Dick and Harry can practice nursing then?

Next time somebody questions your practice, use that opportunity to showcase all the things you learned in nursing school starting with the Nursing process.

I applaud you. You are the type of nurse that we need in the profession.

Specializes in Med nurse in med-surg., float, HH, and PDN.
Just one more reason I love working nights.

In my state, they now make an appearance on ALL shifts! No escape!

Specializes in SICU, trauma, neuro.

Well I hope you gave them heartburn after they had you for lunch. :whistling:

Specializes in ICU.

My hospital no longer uses JC; they got tired of paying them to come in and tell them everything they were doing wrong.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Tele, Dialysis, Hospice.
My hospital no longer uses JC; they got tired of paying them to come in and tell them everything they were doing wrong.

Can a facility opt out of JC evaluations? I thought this was required by law to be an accredited healthcare facility. If you aren't accredited, then a lot of insurance plans won't reimburse for your care, including Medicare/Medicaid. Or am I mistaken about that?

Specializes in Oncology.

At least half of our patients only have one PRN pain med, for pain 4-7. So if they rate their pain at an 8, nothing I can give according to JCAHO.

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