ITT Tech closing ALL schools nationwide

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ITT Tech shutting down all campuses nationwide

In late August, the U.S. Department of Education barred ITT (ESI) from enrolling new students who depend on federal aid and required the company to warn current students that its accreditation is in jeopardy. ITT also was told that it must increase its reserves from $94.4 million to $247.3 million, or 40% of federal student aid the company received in 2015.

The financial blow was too much for Carmel-based ITT to bear, so the decision was made to shutter operations, a move that will impact thousands of students and employees.

[carolinapooh, BSN, RN]

I'm simply talking about nursing school national accreditation. There are two different ones. One is ACEN and the other I think is CCNE. That is important in job hunting. It's important in the nursing world. I know what the BON endorsement is. I'm sorry if I misspoke earlier in my comments earlier.

Regional is what is needed for credit transfer. Each program at a school I'm sure has their own national accreditations. My whole point being accredited by the national league of career colleges means absolutely ziltch in the nursing world.

Basically I agreed 100% with you - that was more directed at the other person who seemed to be defending this joke that is national accreditation. I see where my post looks directed at you. It wasn't and I apologize for you thinking it was. :)

[CanadianAbroad]

I think you were likely the exception rather than the rule, do you agree?

More than 50% of students in these programs do not even graduate and 70% of student loan default has been linked to these programs.

I think each campus is different. I know the Canton campus had a high Nclex pass rate the first try. I also know coworkers who graduated from there and are doing the degree completion at another school. The idea that this school will not have credits that transfer, is just not true. I think it depends on what program. ITT Canton students have had success passing, graduating, passing the Nclex and finding jobs in good name hospitals. It is a shame that the current students who were about to graduate, are not being given the option to teach out and finish. Those who just finished on the 4th, can't get their degrees and won't be able to get their loans discharged either.

[carolinapooh, BSN, RN]

I am going to speak on behalf of Breckinridge students. First and foremost, our program was not easy in any way to get into. The notion we were not competitive, is completely asinine and disrespectful. I got a 95 on my entrance Hesi and had a high gpa going into the program. I personally was accepted to other programs, but chose Breckinridge for their small class size and coworkers who vouched for the program. Not every student went there due to no other options like the assumption that is being tossed around. I feel for the students who were in their last quarter and now have to start from square one. As for the cost, I would walk out of that program with a loan around $24000. With grants and their own personal scholarship, it cut the program in half. Is it more than traditional programs, yes, but it wasn't that ridiculous when you think of the process most colleges want you to go through. Please think of every student affected by this closure, and who were blindsided that this was going to occur. I went for orientation on the 25th and there was no indication this was going to happen. Devastating is not even the word for this fiasco.

You can brand me a jerk for this and I'll understand, but did you not notice the news and the reports of places like this - the difficulty in credit transfer, the unlikely event that your degree would be recognized for advanced study, the (yes I'll say it) suspicious and borderline scam activity profiled on or in 60 Minutes, CNN, WaPo, the NYT? Did you not research their reputation - and I don't mean Google reviews? Even their own TV commercials said in fine print at the base of the screen: "Credits earned are unlikely to transfer."

A lot of the reports I read and saw pointed out that they were quick to offer up funds - and then quick to withdraw those funds and hold degrees until thousands of dollars were paid. There was a particularly scathing one on 60 Minutes last year detailing that kind of activity. Harrassing phone calls from 'administrators' to students were played on national television that made me embarrassed for the student - AND the person who'd debased themselves far enough to make such a call.

I got interested in these so-called schools because they're permitted to take GI Bill funds. I find that disgusting and the epitome of fraud, waste, and abuse VETTED by the Feds themselves. I want that stopped.

An ADN program would've cost you the same amount of money with a better outcome. I have empathy for your emotions and the situation you find yourself in, but in the end I think you'll see this was a blessing in disguise - especially if your credentials are as good as you say, and I have no reason to believe they're not.

[BostonFNP, APRN]

I know the Canton campus had a high Nclex pass rate the first try.

I couldn't find quickly the yearly pass rates, but I did find data on 2013 and the pass rate was 75% which is well below the national average. It was 80% in 2012 which was also significantly under the national average.

[carolinapooh, BSN, RN]

The idea that this school will not have credits that transfer, is just not true. I think it depends on what program.

It's not an idea. They said it themselves in EVERY single TV commercial. I'm sure there are a few on YouTube still.

At the bottom of the screen: "CREDITS EARNED ARE UNLIKELY TO TRANSFER".

[carolinapooh, BSN, RN]

I also know coworkers who graduated from there and are doing the degree completion at another school.

I don't know how to multiquote.

This is a legit question. What schools are they attending?

[BostonFNP, APRN]

The idea that this school will not have credits that transfer, is just not true.

It actually states "credits unlikely to transfer" on ITT's own website FAQ.

[CanadianAbroad]

The credits are most certainly transferable, but the degree must be completed. Every single credit was accepted for degree completion at several schools in the Detroit area. I work with several people who are in the process of completing their bsn and some have gone on to their masters.

When I signed up, I even asked about accreditation and if this school would be okay. Hell, even on our orientation they flat out lied and said everything is fine. I remember when Atlantic Union went through this, as my in laws taught there. The students were fine in the end; so I guess I thought I would be. ITT was fully expecting a teach out option, and were banking on it. That option would have allowed them to fix the issues and try get okay with the DOE. I am assuming that other **** is about to come out as to why they were flat out denied.

I know other schools in this area are having emergency meetings as to what to do with the students and how to help. It is a mess for ITT students and potential nursing students for next year; as there will be a huge spike in applications and higher test scores.

Myself, I was lucky that I contacted the programs I turned down. They are seeing if I can jump into the program, or defer till Sept and just take non nursing classes this year. Either way, I will be okay....others, not so much.

[BostonFNP, APRN]

The irony that if you read ITT's Student Communication Statement it states:

"Will my credits transfer to another institution?

As always, the decision to accept transfer credits is up to the receiving institution. You may view a list of

other schools that have entered into articulation agreements with the ITT Technical Institutes at

ITT Technical Institute – Educational Services, Inc.. Additionally, we have compiled a list of schools in your area that offer

similar programs of study, as well as some institutions offering similar programs online, which you may

want to contact. See the following question for a list of schools."

But if you follow the link to "articulation agreements" it brings you back to the main page of their shuttered website...helpful.

[PedNephNurse]

That's good to hear. I think people who attended ITT for nursing did it out of the length of time programs took and the cost of attendance. Good people trying to get ahead.

[carolinapooh, BSN, RN]

Their credits are unlikely to transfer. They themselves said it.

Why is that so hard to believe? We've ID'd you as a likely exception and it's also possible that area schools are doing their best to help the ITT students out in this case - but even the school has said this.

[carolinapooh, BSN, RN]

The credits are most certainly transferable, but the degree must be completed. Every single credit was accepted for degree completion at several schools in the Detroit area. I work with several people who are in the process of completing their bsn and some have gone on to their masters.

When I signed up, I even asked about accreditation and if this school would be okay. Hell, even on our orientation they flat out lied and said everything is fine. I remember when Atlantic Union went through this, as my in laws taught there. The students were fine in the end; so I guess I thought I would be. ITT was fully expecting a teach out option, and were banking on it. That option would have allowed them to fix the issues and try get okay with the DOE. I am assuming that other **** is about to come out as to why they were flat out denied.

I know other schools in this area are having emergency meetings as to what to do with the students and how to help. It is a mess for ITT students and potential nursing students for next year; as there will be a huge spike in applications and higher test scores.

Myself, I was lucky that I contacted the programs I turned down. They are seeing if I can jump into the program, or defer till Sept and just take non nursing classes this year. Either way, I will be okay....others, not so much.

Am I reading this right - did you know there were issues? I swear it's just a question.