Is my short career over?

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  1. Is my short career over?

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      No, get back in the saddle and ride!
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      No, but you need more education!
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      No, volunteer for Free Health Clinic!
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      No, get your experience in Somalia!
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      Yes, just retire already!

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ladies and gentlemen, i am having great difficulty deciding if my nascent career is, or should be, over. please be kind enough to tell me what you think. i am an rn with an as who recently graduated nursing school with distinction and a gpa of 3.9. i passed my nclex on the first try, in 1.5 hours, with 75 questions. i am acls certified. but, in school, they told me "nurses eat their young", and i have come to believe it's true. i'm not young; i was 58 years old at graduation, but young in the profession.

within a month of passing my boards, i found employment with a dialysis clinic, as a dialysis nurse and team leader. after a training period, they promised i would soon be charge for my shift, assess patients, pass meds, and supervise four techs.

unfortunately, they had my subordinates train me. i was thrown into the lion's den. my subordinates were techs with only 6 weeks of informal training from the company, but had many years of valuable experience. they seemed anxious to let me know that while i would be their team leader, they had no respect for me because of my lack of experience, and that they really ran the show. it was more like hazing than training. i would see them give a patient 250 ml of ns, go for a lunch break, and fail to chart it. when i suggested they needed to chart it before they left, they'd say, "you aren't the nurse yet, and you probably won't last long enough to ever be the nurse." i refrained from reminding them that while i might not have been "the" nurse, i was indeed a nurse, and tried to get along with them, thinking i could address this when i became charge.

they kept me busy with scut work, emptying the infectious waste trash and cleaning up blood off the floor, while they treated the patients. after a month of this, i complained to the clinic manager that i wasn't going to become proficient in treating dialysis patients by emptying everybody's trash cans. i needed to actually perform dialysis on patients. then the clinic manager put a stop to the cinderella treatment, and insisted they give me some hands on experience.

each day i had a different tech preceptor. everyone had their own way of doing things. each day my preceptor would complain that the way yesterday's preceptor told me to do things was wrong, and insist i must do it their way instead. i learned the principals of dialysis, the appropriate responses to dialysis related emergencies, how to access a "button hole", how to access a fistula, and became proficient at catheter care.

it was a crazy way to set it up, but they also had these tech preceptors evaluating my performance. even though i tried to be pleasant, they really didn't like me and i think they just resented having a newbie come in as their supervisor. their evaluations were less than flattering, insofar as they complained i was "slow in the performance of tasks". as my 3 month anniversary came near, the clinic manager told me that i was "too slow."

i explained that i had still not had much experience and that i would get faster with time. i also asked, "do you want me to be fast, or do you want me to be careful?" she said what she wanted both, immediately, and otherwise maybe i should resign. so, i resigned, but very gracefully, saying i was sorry it didn't seem to be working out, and that i had great admiration for the job she did, and the way she did it. i live in a small town, so burning bridges isn't a good idea. besides i did admire her, she was capable and had been kind to me. i did frankly tell her she should not be dismayed if my coworkers spoke badly of me, because they also spoke badly of her. the rest of the staff smiled in her face while making cruel remarks about her behind her back. she said she knew this. i also mentioned that it was probably an ill-conceived company policy to be trained by subordinates. she agreed, wished me well, and we parted on good terms.

within a week i was working again, this time at a community clinic with a low level of acuity. i was treating a broad spectrum of patients, pediatrics, geriatrics, diabetes clinic, surgical clinic, as well as women's health and pre-natal patients. in my first month there i learned how to perform many poc lab tests such as rapid strep, flu tests, rsv tests, urinalysis, pregnancy tests, a1c and accu checks. i learned how to assist in minor surgeries and pelvic exams and do prenatal non stress tests, ecgs and learned the pediatric immunization schedule.

everything seemed to be going along fine until, in my second month, i made my first ever med error. i had a baby who had turned 6 months old the day before he came to the clinic. his mother brought him in because she wanted him to have an influenza immunization. our "standing order" protocol dictated that if he were less than 6 months old he should get a divided dose, 2.5 ml now, and another 2.5 ml in a month. if he were more than 6 months old, he should, instead, have gotten one single 5 ml dose. as it happened i was distracted by people bustling around me, my preceptor talking to me, reaching around me to get into the med press, the unit clerk coming and taking over my computer while i was trying to look at the computer's calculation of his age, etc. i was also dehydrated, tired and rushed. i miscalculated the baby's age, thinking him one day younger than 6 months instead of one day older than 6 months. i gave him the 2.5 ml dose that would have been appropriate if he had come in two days earlier. the child was under dosed. i had only been there two months, and i still had a preceptor watching me, but she didn't notice anything out of the way, either, until it was too late.

well, anyone who has ever made a med error knows the whirlwind of reports that follow. i made out all the reports. i called the baby's mother at home and explained to her that i had made a mistake, but that it should not harm the child, except insofar as he would need to come back for the second dose. she was very kind. my preceptor dressed me down and wasn't satisfied until she reduced me to tears.

the don was livid and demanded to know why this happened. i explained that i had not been given a break, was fatigued, dehydrated, and the clinic was busy with people bustling about, and that a computer was not available to me to look up the child's exact age. she asked what could be done to prevent recurrences of this in the future. i suggested that the nurses should be given a 10 minute break in the morning and another in the afternoon so that we could refresh our minds, use the bathroom, and have something to drink, since drinks were not allowed on the floor. i also suggested that nurses drawing meds should be given a "quiet zone" around their computer for the few minutes they were drawing them. she said, "well, you're not going to get that! so forget it!" "and", the don added, "you are still on probation, you don't get to make mistakes! i'd better not hear of anything else going wrong, or you're out!"

the don also dressed down my preceptor, saying that she should have caught this error before it occurred. my preceptor thereafter became very hypercritical and no longer seemed willing to train me, actually ridiculing me whenever i asked for information. i apologized to all profusely and hoped i would be forgiven, but i felt i was never forgiven. very shortly after, i was so miserable, i resigned again.

i then decided that i needed a hysterectomy, before i got another job, because i had a prolapse and had been waiting for a hysterectomy since before nursing school, never having enough time off to do it. so i took that opportunity. my recovery was complicated by cellulitis of the cuff, and my doctor didn't clear me to go back to work for 4 months. but i didn't look for another job just yet, because my daughter's wedding, scheduled to take place on the other side of the continent, would be happening soon. i thought a new employer would never give me time off to go to her wedding, so i waited 3 more months. very soon after that, my brother in law, (of 43 years), was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer with mets, and i flew across the country to help my sister care for him until died, which occurred just last week.

now i find that i have been out of nursing school for 21 months, and have only worked a total of 6 months, at two different jobs! i spent 3 months waiting for nclex, 3 months working dialysis, 3 months working the clinic, and 11 months being unemployed, reticent, and trying to fathom my future. i'm very discouraged and actually afraid to go back to nursing. i also don't know how i can be smooth in an interview when i have failed so miserably at both jobs. i was slow at one and incompetent at the other.

einstein said, "anybody who has never made a mistake has never tried to do anything new." that's true, but maybe i'm not fit for nursing, even though i enjoyed scholastic achievement. nursing school teaches you how to be a good student, but only experience teaches you how to be a good nurse.

just last week a headhunter called and asked me if i would consider going back to the same dialysis clinic, this time as the clinic manager, since my former clinic manager had resigned. i thought about it for only 30 seconds and said, "no." i remember how the nurses and techs who worked for that clinic manager spoke evil of her behind her back. when she was not in earshot they called her a fat, ugly, old *****. i ventured to ask them how that was relevant to her job. they said, "well, she doesn't do her job very well either." actually i thought she did pretty well, i did admire her. i can imagine how those techs and nurses would treat me, who they viewed as slow, inexperienced and incompetent. they would tear me apart. and they'd be impossible to manage. it would be mutiny.

if i did go back to nursing, i wouldn't know how to smooth all this into a productive interview. and i don't know what to say in interview about the long hiatus. maybe my patients are better off having a different nurse. i have no self-confidence about it. is there anything else i can do with my degree and license? would an insurance company take me as a case manager? or do they want a lot of experience?

on the other hand, i have enough money and there is a free clinic that operates solely with volunteer staff in my town. maybe they would more patiently precept me, since my labor would be free, and maybe i could get a year's experience there, and become a more astute nurse.

any suggestions on how i might salvage my career? i do have very nice letters of reference from my clinical instructers in nursing school, as well as some of the mds and rns that i worked with at the community clinic. i'm sorry this was so long. thank you very much for your time reading this, and for your consideration of this problem.

Ruby, I'm in my mid-50s. These nurses are dangerous. They make the errors and expect the younger generation to cover for them. On my unit we are all over 35.

i hear ya, fiona.

it's the same "ageist" attitude about elderly drivers.

ok, i'm leaving.:lol2:

leslie

Specializes in Home Health,ID/DD, Pediatrics.
Comeon! You have to get back in there. Nurses DO eat their young in many instances but you have been in some bad job circumstances. I always tell my students (I am a nursing instructor and a nurse for 25 years) that it is VERY important to get a job with a good preceptorship program in te first few years of your career. is there a teaching hospital where you live? I would recommend a job that focuses on teaching. We all had to start somewhere but some nurses forget that. Ignore these horrible people. Press on and concentrate on doing your job well.

Mistakes happen, you are human. It will make you more careful in the future. Learn from it. It sounds like a system failure to me, not an individual factor. Anyway, forgive yourself. Everyone makes mistakes.

I dont think you need more education, you need more experience in a QUALITY atmosphere. The longer you stay away, the more you will lose confidence. Get back out there ASAP. Dont worry about the interview. Just be yourself. Life happens to everyone and if a potential employer doesnt understand that, you dont want to work for them. We all job-hop in the beginning. My resume has 2 pages of jobs and that never stopped ANYONE from hiring me.

I would not take a supervisory position at this point in your career. You need experience or you will never be respected as a leader. Take my word on this! Perhaps settle into a med surg job and get some experience. Then the world will be yours...I promise!!

I hope this was helpful. We have all been hazed and it sucks. The bullys seem to win but, in the end, if you maintain YOUR integrity and take the high road, it will pay off. Good luck!

I am a new grad, and reading the OP's story just reinforced the fear of the challenges ahead for me. This advice above was the best and most reassuring I have read in response to the OP. It seems to me that it's easy to make judgements on the Op's attitude and dole out advice when you've been an RN for years and you really know your stuff, but what warmed my heart about this particular response was that the advice was given in a very supportive and positive way. It is no secrete that their are many very nasty people working in healthcare, probably in part because it is such a stressful field.

I just wanted to say to the OP that your situation sounds extremely frustrating, and it sounds like you were taken advantage of by some horrible people who really don't belong in healthcare. to the respondent above, thank you for being supportive...you sound like you are probably an amazing nursing instructor where ever it is you teach!

I haven't read many of the comments, so forgive me if I don't address all of them or repeat points already made.

Golden Dawn, the dialysis job was a terrible place. Being trained solely by techs? No other RN in sight? Scut work but not teaching you how to do dialysis? The whole scene was wrong from the start, although you might have been ok if you'd learned not to take too much to heart any of their bellyaching and backstabbing. I know that's easier said than done, especially if no one ever prepared you for that type of coworker.

In our school, we were warned that some techs would be resentful of us, as we were younger than they were, had a brighter $ future, and race or gender might enter in. I expected the terrible treatment/hazing I received on some of my early jobs.

Over the years, I have come to expect nothing but hazing, I guess, so am not surprised when it happens still, all these

decades later. There are just a lot of really wretched people in the world. They are full of jealousy, full of anger about their own lives and the difficult path they've had to trod. They have never learned to praise God and ask His help to improve their situation, apparently. Or they have suffered so much that they just have run out of hope. Or they're just a bunch of B's and that's that.

Either way, no matter what the cause of their stinking behavior toward a new nurse, the new nurse has to learn to laugh it off. Even if you have to make something up, let them in on a problem you have. Be one of them in the sense that life is hard for you, too. Or become silent-ish. Be friendly but quiet. When someone comments, just say you have a sore throat so you're resting your voice. Be goofy. Laugh at yourself. Let them see that you also suffer, just as they do. Tell them your hemorrhoid has flared up. Be creative. You should not have resigned if you really wanted to do dialysis. You just needed to find a way to work with the crocodiles.

And the clinic DON or manager being livid because you made a non-lethal drug error - Jesus God Almighty. It wasn't the sinking of the Titanic. Livid is a ridiculous way for a boss to be toward a new nurse. The reasons you gave for the error all sound legitimate and pertinent to me. Damn it, nurses do need liquid intake. We do need, especially new grads, quiet places to work, we do have human needs. And that idiot boss needs to learn how to help her staff, not run the place by intimidation and by driving the nurses like horses who are to be sacrificed on their trek across the desert.

Yes, NURSES DO EAT THEIR YOUNG. But you need to just make the decision to not be edible.

What should you do now? That's entirely your decision. You are the only one who can decide what you would like to do, be it more school, home health, school nursing, LTC, Manager at the dialysis clinic, whatever. I think it would be great if you were the Manager so you could fire all of your former tormentors, one by one. I'd hire an experienced Dialysis nurse and put her in charge, I'd make the techs toe every mark as far as tardiness, absenteeism, breaks, dress code, charting meds when they give them, and so forth. And I'd fire them for the slightest breach or for insubordination, whichever came first.

Ruby Vee, I see nothing in her OP that says she tried to run the places. She was a new grad and got royally do-do'ed upon.

Let us know, OP, what you decide to do.

Just wondering - Golden Dawn, are you in good shape? Can you bend, lift, leap tall buildings in a single bound? You said the techs used you like an orderly to lift their patients. I'd have found reasons not to help them. Why should I let them treat me like do do then lift their patients for them? They're pregnant? That's their own problem. The world does not need their children and if they want to have them, they can just dang well have them without my help. Even when you helped them, they still abused you. The Devil with them! Anyway, do you look young? Gray hair covered? Not looking old or out of shape?

Get into tip top shape. It will help your head and your hiring prospects.

I totally get that and cannot dispute it. The techs did teach me a lot, for instance they taught me to stock the carts, string the machines, canulate the patients, start dialysis, understand the various machine alarms, rinse back and blood return, and improved on my catheter care techniques. However I think the techs took advantage of me for the first month by only giving me clean up work. Under normal functioning everyone in the clinic empties their own medical waste can and trash can and cleans up their own spills, but I was the general cleaning lady for 4 weeks of precious time. Really, I only needed to be shown once how they wanted clean up done, then just keeping up after my own patients would have been sufficient to make it rote. What I needed was some time with the patients, and the dialysis machines. And patients crashed with frightening frequency. I needed a chance to observe how the nurse handled it, and discuss it with her later. After wasting the first 4 weeks, when my 3 months was up, of course I was still slow, I'd only been doing it for 2 months.

Often, we have to make our own opportunities. Instead of staying with the trash emptying, I'd have hustled my bustle on over to where the crash was going on and gotten in on that. I know you were new but that's what you needed to do, I guess.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
i haven't read many of the comments, so forgive me if i don't address all of them or repeat points already made.

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ruby vee, i see nothing in her op that says she tried to run the places. she was a new grad and got royally do-do'ed upon.

let us know, op, what you decide to do.

you probably missed the part where she refers to the techs as her subordinates and informed her manager that they'd give her bad evaluations because they didn't like her. or where she told the boss how things could be run differently.

Ruby, I saw the things you mention. And I see nothing wrong with what she said. Techs are subordinates of the licensed nurse. She was in a ridiculous position, having to be trained by them with, it sounds like, no other licensed nurse anywhere in sight. I know the boss RN was around someplace, but not directly with the OP.

And the boss asked for her input on how to change things at the clinic for the better, so OP naively believed the boss really wanted her input and responded accordingly.

Both settings were made for failure of OP or any other new grad. IMO

I came out of critical care and worked dialysis because a nephrologist begged me to come work in his clinic. Dialysis is not a place to learn to be a RN! And in all the facilities I worked and managed the techs were rude and resentful of the RN staff. Even today, the techs in the hospital are rude and no one likes giving them report or receiving report. We go out of our way to not taking report from them. Dialysis patients are difficult and this is magnified in the techs.

Go find a small community hospital that can give you orientation and then work on a med/surg floor. You need the experience so you can translate it into what ever career you choose.

Good luck!

Please believe me when I say this. You have UNLIMITED opportunity to start again. Nursing can suck in many ways. But the great thing about this profession is you are never out...just temporarily down. I was at my wits end many, many times. Hopeless abyss stared me in the face more than once. Currently I am two years into a great job that is going very well. It took many, many attempts to find (and very much personal anguish) but its ok now. Believe me, IF IT CAN HAPPEN TO ME IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU! Hang in there!

Specializes in Med/Surg.

I'm really sorry you have had such a bad experience in nursing. I have just completed my first year as a nurse, and let me tell you I have had many more bad days than good, critism for not being good enough, critism for being too good.. everyone has an opinion of you and how you do your job. None of that matters. Ask yourself why you went into nursing in the first place. If you went in for the money, do yourself a favor and find a new career. No amount of money is worth the things we go through as nurses. If you went in because you love taking care of people and get a blessing from changing lives then STAY in nursing. Don't let negative people ruin your dream. I have to tell myself that everyday. I worked a year on Med/Surg and I hated it, but I have gained more experience than I thought I would. Do a year on a med/surg unit.. You'll make it. After that, find something that makes you happy. Good luck!

And in regards to your med error, let's face it we're all human and we've all made mistakes. You didn't harm the patient. You learned a lesson. Don't beat yourself up about it.

Specializes in Clinical Research, Outpt Women's Health.

The 1st job set you and any other nurse including the manager up for failure.

The 2nd job was a mistake anyone could make in those circumstances.

Go to the free clinic. Regain your confidence and after a year look again.

Do NOT EVER go near that dialysis clinic again!

It seems like you put the blame on everyone else and are not owning up to the mistakes that you made and how they can be corrected in the future. It would be fabulous if all our preceptors where jolly and kind and if we got 10 minute breaks, able to use the bathroom when needed, and there was always a computer available...but really....what will YOU do differently???

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