Is my short career over?

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  1. Is my short career over?

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      No, get back in the saddle and ride!
    • 4
      No, but you need more education!
    • 34
      No, volunteer for Free Health Clinic!
    • 1
      No, get your experience in Somalia!
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      Yes, just retire already!

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ladies and gentlemen, i am having great difficulty deciding if my nascent career is, or should be, over. please be kind enough to tell me what you think. i am an rn with an as who recently graduated nursing school with distinction and a gpa of 3.9. i passed my nclex on the first try, in 1.5 hours, with 75 questions. i am acls certified. but, in school, they told me "nurses eat their young", and i have come to believe it's true. i'm not young; i was 58 years old at graduation, but young in the profession.

within a month of passing my boards, i found employment with a dialysis clinic, as a dialysis nurse and team leader. after a training period, they promised i would soon be charge for my shift, assess patients, pass meds, and supervise four techs.

unfortunately, they had my subordinates train me. i was thrown into the lion's den. my subordinates were techs with only 6 weeks of informal training from the company, but had many years of valuable experience. they seemed anxious to let me know that while i would be their team leader, they had no respect for me because of my lack of experience, and that they really ran the show. it was more like hazing than training. i would see them give a patient 250 ml of ns, go for a lunch break, and fail to chart it. when i suggested they needed to chart it before they left, they'd say, "you aren't the nurse yet, and you probably won't last long enough to ever be the nurse." i refrained from reminding them that while i might not have been "the" nurse, i was indeed a nurse, and tried to get along with them, thinking i could address this when i became charge.

they kept me busy with scut work, emptying the infectious waste trash and cleaning up blood off the floor, while they treated the patients. after a month of this, i complained to the clinic manager that i wasn't going to become proficient in treating dialysis patients by emptying everybody's trash cans. i needed to actually perform dialysis on patients. then the clinic manager put a stop to the cinderella treatment, and insisted they give me some hands on experience.

each day i had a different tech preceptor. everyone had their own way of doing things. each day my preceptor would complain that the way yesterday's preceptor told me to do things was wrong, and insist i must do it their way instead. i learned the principals of dialysis, the appropriate responses to dialysis related emergencies, how to access a "button hole", how to access a fistula, and became proficient at catheter care.

it was a crazy way to set it up, but they also had these tech preceptors evaluating my performance. even though i tried to be pleasant, they really didn't like me and i think they just resented having a newbie come in as their supervisor. their evaluations were less than flattering, insofar as they complained i was "slow in the performance of tasks". as my 3 month anniversary came near, the clinic manager told me that i was "too slow."

i explained that i had still not had much experience and that i would get faster with time. i also asked, "do you want me to be fast, or do you want me to be careful?" she said what she wanted both, immediately, and otherwise maybe i should resign. so, i resigned, but very gracefully, saying i was sorry it didn't seem to be working out, and that i had great admiration for the job she did, and the way she did it. i live in a small town, so burning bridges isn't a good idea. besides i did admire her, she was capable and had been kind to me. i did frankly tell her she should not be dismayed if my coworkers spoke badly of me, because they also spoke badly of her. the rest of the staff smiled in her face while making cruel remarks about her behind her back. she said she knew this. i also mentioned that it was probably an ill-conceived company policy to be trained by subordinates. she agreed, wished me well, and we parted on good terms.

within a week i was working again, this time at a community clinic with a low level of acuity. i was treating a broad spectrum of patients, pediatrics, geriatrics, diabetes clinic, surgical clinic, as well as women's health and pre-natal patients. in my first month there i learned how to perform many poc lab tests such as rapid strep, flu tests, rsv tests, urinalysis, pregnancy tests, a1c and accu checks. i learned how to assist in minor surgeries and pelvic exams and do prenatal non stress tests, ecgs and learned the pediatric immunization schedule.

everything seemed to be going along fine until, in my second month, i made my first ever med error. i had a baby who had turned 6 months old the day before he came to the clinic. his mother brought him in because she wanted him to have an influenza immunization. our "standing order" protocol dictated that if he were less than 6 months old he should get a divided dose, 2.5 ml now, and another 2.5 ml in a month. if he were more than 6 months old, he should, instead, have gotten one single 5 ml dose. as it happened i was distracted by people bustling around me, my preceptor talking to me, reaching around me to get into the med press, the unit clerk coming and taking over my computer while i was trying to look at the computer's calculation of his age, etc. i was also dehydrated, tired and rushed. i miscalculated the baby's age, thinking him one day younger than 6 months instead of one day older than 6 months. i gave him the 2.5 ml dose that would have been appropriate if he had come in two days earlier. the child was under dosed. i had only been there two months, and i still had a preceptor watching me, but she didn't notice anything out of the way, either, until it was too late.

well, anyone who has ever made a med error knows the whirlwind of reports that follow. i made out all the reports. i called the baby's mother at home and explained to her that i had made a mistake, but that it should not harm the child, except insofar as he would need to come back for the second dose. she was very kind. my preceptor dressed me down and wasn't satisfied until she reduced me to tears.

the don was livid and demanded to know why this happened. i explained that i had not been given a break, was fatigued, dehydrated, and the clinic was busy with people bustling about, and that a computer was not available to me to look up the child's exact age. she asked what could be done to prevent recurrences of this in the future. i suggested that the nurses should be given a 10 minute break in the morning and another in the afternoon so that we could refresh our minds, use the bathroom, and have something to drink, since drinks were not allowed on the floor. i also suggested that nurses drawing meds should be given a "quiet zone" around their computer for the few minutes they were drawing them. she said, "well, you're not going to get that! so forget it!" "and", the don added, "you are still on probation, you don't get to make mistakes! i'd better not hear of anything else going wrong, or you're out!"

the don also dressed down my preceptor, saying that she should have caught this error before it occurred. my preceptor thereafter became very hypercritical and no longer seemed willing to train me, actually ridiculing me whenever i asked for information. i apologized to all profusely and hoped i would be forgiven, but i felt i was never forgiven. very shortly after, i was so miserable, i resigned again.

i then decided that i needed a hysterectomy, before i got another job, because i had a prolapse and had been waiting for a hysterectomy since before nursing school, never having enough time off to do it. so i took that opportunity. my recovery was complicated by cellulitis of the cuff, and my doctor didn't clear me to go back to work for 4 months. but i didn't look for another job just yet, because my daughter's wedding, scheduled to take place on the other side of the continent, would be happening soon. i thought a new employer would never give me time off to go to her wedding, so i waited 3 more months. very soon after that, my brother in law, (of 43 years), was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer with mets, and i flew across the country to help my sister care for him until died, which occurred just last week.

now i find that i have been out of nursing school for 21 months, and have only worked a total of 6 months, at two different jobs! i spent 3 months waiting for nclex, 3 months working dialysis, 3 months working the clinic, and 11 months being unemployed, reticent, and trying to fathom my future. i'm very discouraged and actually afraid to go back to nursing. i also don't know how i can be smooth in an interview when i have failed so miserably at both jobs. i was slow at one and incompetent at the other.

einstein said, "anybody who has never made a mistake has never tried to do anything new." that's true, but maybe i'm not fit for nursing, even though i enjoyed scholastic achievement. nursing school teaches you how to be a good student, but only experience teaches you how to be a good nurse.

just last week a headhunter called and asked me if i would consider going back to the same dialysis clinic, this time as the clinic manager, since my former clinic manager had resigned. i thought about it for only 30 seconds and said, "no." i remember how the nurses and techs who worked for that clinic manager spoke evil of her behind her back. when she was not in earshot they called her a fat, ugly, old *****. i ventured to ask them how that was relevant to her job. they said, "well, she doesn't do her job very well either." actually i thought she did pretty well, i did admire her. i can imagine how those techs and nurses would treat me, who they viewed as slow, inexperienced and incompetent. they would tear me apart. and they'd be impossible to manage. it would be mutiny.

if i did go back to nursing, i wouldn't know how to smooth all this into a productive interview. and i don't know what to say in interview about the long hiatus. maybe my patients are better off having a different nurse. i have no self-confidence about it. is there anything else i can do with my degree and license? would an insurance company take me as a case manager? or do they want a lot of experience?

on the other hand, i have enough money and there is a free clinic that operates solely with volunteer staff in my town. maybe they would more patiently precept me, since my labor would be free, and maybe i could get a year's experience there, and become a more astute nurse.

any suggestions on how i might salvage my career? i do have very nice letters of reference from my clinical instructers in nursing school, as well as some of the mds and rns that i worked with at the community clinic. i'm sorry this was so long. thank you very much for your time reading this, and for your consideration of this problem.

Your first job was a totally inappropriate job for a new grad. No new grad would have succeeded.....It also might mean getting more education as your options may be limited by your minimal level of education. An AS degree can get you a license, but it is the minimal RN entry-level degree and a lot of employers are looking for more than that.
I hear you loud and clear Golden dawn and felt pretty similar to your situation...and get this I got my BSN! So it is not you. It is the system, and the system sucks. Gosh, sorry you'all, all my posts seem so depressive on this subject. But let's see, I graduated 2008, good grades, passed 75 questions, moved 3 hours away for first med surg job that finally came way, only to be told, "sorry, you do not get the big picture, have to write everything down" basically too slow... Same thing like you. Then when I made it to the second interview for a New Grad Versant Program, I was disqualified because I had experience! Oh and I could not go for my MSN because I needed a year of experience, which I understand, but come on.So, I took a job at a rural clinic as a Medical Assistant, which of course they used me as an RN. I really loved the Dr's and patients but left after my year was up. It got out of control. Now I am waiting to hear for a job at a small VA clinic. Sadly, it might be an option for you to volunteer. Hopefully, you will get awesome experience, and meet people who will see your determination and dedication and relocate you. Like you I graduated older, as did many of my peers, and it has been, and still is, a tough road for many of us. I guess I am saying, be grateful you have not been looking for your first coveted hospital job

Hate it when I press wrong button! Be grateful you didn't graduate in 2008 when this mess started...and are still trying to get that first coveted hospital position. Stay strong...nursing sucks.

ps. Why do we continue to tolerate this behavior towards us? And towards all nurses in general? It boggles my mind! Probably one of the many reasons I am so disillusioned with Nursing!Nite

My husband is a recruiter...not in this industry...but he can take anyone's situation,and spin it into an articulate, organized manner. I voted that you definitely get back into the saddle, and do it for us 'mature' girls. You should try to find a recruiter who specializes in this field, and be honest with them, as you have been in your original post. They can take this information, and tell you exactly what to say during your interview. You don't lie (you sound honest, and I think that you would never consider that), you just tell your situation in another way! If you use a recruiter, since they make their money doing this sort of thing for a living, if should take the burden off of you a little. They may even see your unique situation as a challenge, to find you the job that is perfect for you. But definitely don't retire! You are WAY to young! Good luck! Update this page to let us know how you did.

I'm not a young pup either.

BUT, I work with some nurses who have passed 65, continue to work and collect their pensions. Trust me, they provide no pleasure to those who have to pick up the slack. One is nearly 80, takes four "smoke" breaks, will only do Charge and is rude to the patients. She's also hard of hearing and refuses to wear hearing aides. Two others are in their mid 60's they don't lift, had their schedules changed to work only days because they don't like driving after dusk. One is so forgetful it's scary. There have been numerous meetings between staff and the Unit Manager over the working conditions when these nurses are on. But until one of them kills a patient (and yes, they work in Acute Care) we're stuck with them because our Manager refuses to deal with the valid issues.

No, I'm not getting any younger, am I? But who is? I'll turn 60 this April. I do wonder if I might just be too old to handle it, but then I look at the young girls I went to nursing school with, and they are all complaining of fatigue too. Of course the young women go home to young children who require them to expend more energy. I go home to dogs. At the community clinic, I had the pleasure of working with a nurse who was 70, another who was 72, and one nurse, who was still working 2 days a week, when she suddenly passed away from a heart attack at age 86. She only did triage in a non urgent walk in clinic, but it kept her interesed in life, facilitated her social interactions, her skills were not wasted, and she had enough money to make ends meet. I'm going to miss her, she was a bright spot in my day. At the dialysis clinic, some of the techs complained of bad backs, while others were pregnant. The one thing they seemed to really appreciate about me was that I didn't mind lifting and pivoting patients out of wheelchairs. I was their "go-to" girl when they wanted a patient moved.
Specializes in geriatrics.

I have to agree with many of the previous posts. I started out as a charge nurse in LTC. Aside from the fact that l trained in a much busier environment, the main reason why I am successful in my role is this: I was willing to learn and to very gradually assert myself. The senior nurses and the NA's were very helpful....and the NA's trained me in many aspects of the job. I also made it clear from the beginning that we are all working together, and that I was very appreciative of their help. While you are the nurse, those techs have more experience, and you must be willing to let them show you the way. Otherwise, you won't succeed in a charge role. It is quite telling that you refer to them as your subordinates. Learn from these experiences as you move forward.

Specializes in M/S,DOU/ER.

Thats what it means by eat their young-experience,not age.You should have applied to acute care hospitals for at least a year of med/surg before going off to do other things.Your poll is not fair to you as one of our choices should be more experience,but not in Somalia.Joke or not,how would that help you?Who cares if you have a high GPA or passed your NCLEX the first time?Was those questions on your job app?You have to be good enough to know when you've made a mistake and what to do about it.Im sorry,but the "mistakes" you mentioned was far more dramatic than needed to be.All techs,aides,cna's are always ******** and moaning and thinking they know whats best and those are the ones who should be terminated immediately.they cause trouble and insubornation and they are not even licensened!You should have been trained by your equals-period.A bad place to work with worse policy and procedure.Anyplace that trains an RN with a tech is someplace you dont want to be.Work the kinks out of your thoughts and know that with more experience you will become a good and much better nurse.You got through nursing school in your 50's and thats much more important than your GPA.Dont make excuses such as dehydration,stop and get a drink!You will make it and I wish you much luck and know with focus you will be a good nurse.

I think u should of course try and get another job.....

But I have something to say and I don't want u take it az an insult, but rather as an objective opinion of what i and your previous coworkers may have seen......

When u made that med error and u were talking to the DON... you made excuses instead of taking responsibility..... u are in charge of u, and if people are distracting u, then politely say "I will be right with u" or draw up ur meds somewhere where u can concentrate.

As for fatigue and dehydration....... more excuses. I just hope u can actually "see" what I'm saying and not get defensively and shut down the learning process and self improvement journey we all should be on......

It sounds like the dialysis job is meant for a seasoned, tough skinned rn who can deligate and shape up the very unprofessional behavior of those whom she deligates to...

All that "mean" stuff said, you are AWESOME for taking these steps to get ideas, info ect ect..... u learnded a lot about politics, delegation, self responsibility, and the job search process! Good luck! Hang in there!

I don't know why some companies can trust us techs with the kind of responsibilities intended for nurses. They're starting normal saline on people?! Even though I am a CNA myself, I really don't believe in cross-training. Cross-training is simply a sneaky way to get past scope of practice restrictions to cut costs. You are the nurse; I don't know why they would have techs training you. That just doesn't make sense to me. Why don't they have other nurses doing it?

On the other hand, it's still a learning experience. Maybe your coworkers know what they're doing, and maybe they don't. Still, I think you need to find a job that suits you better.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
i'm not a young pup either.

but, i work with some nurses who have passed 65, continue to work and collect their pensions. trust me, they provide no pleasure to those who have to pick up the slack. one is nearly 80, takes four "smoke" breaks, will only do charge and is rude to the patients. she's also hard of hearing and refuses to wear hearing aides. two others are in their mid 60's they don't lift, had their schedules changed to work only days because they don't like driving after dusk. one is so forgetful it's scary. there have been numerous meetings between staff and the unit manager over the working conditions when these nurses are on. but until one of them kills a patient (and yes, they work in acute care) we're stuck with them because our manager refuses to deal with the valid issues.

ageist much?

while i don't doubt that the poster works with some nurses over the age of 65 who "provide no pleasure to those who have to pick up the lack", i don't doubt that she works with some younger nurses who are just as delightful to work with or follow. i work with several 30-somethings who take four smoke breaks (or more) per shift, won't do anything except charge or precept, won't touch a patient and are rude to patients, family members, providers, other staff and management. they work only the shifts they want to work -- meaning no sundays -- ever -- and are so lazy it's scary.

i hardly think that smoke breaks, laziness and rudeness are confined to the older nurses among us.

Ruby, I'm in my mid-50s. These nurses are dangerous. They make the errors and expect the younger generation to cover for them. On my unit we are all over 35.

It's a sad joke that we need to know the code status of one nurse because we are afraid she's going to die on us at work. The unions are aware but until the public starts to complain to the administration rather than us, nothing is going to be done. It's against our Charter of Rights to have mandatory retirement. We've had two other nurses turn 65 and leave and state they aren't old warhorses who will be dragged out with their whites on.

golden_dawn, i don't know if i read you correctly, but i found myself smiling an awful lot at your posts.

whether it was deliberate, dry humor or inadvertent, i relate to you and your 'character'.

i find you to be a contrasting blend of naivete (re nursing) and sophistication.:)

that said, i would move forward in nursing, as i would find you to be very much an asset.

i can't really support those who encourage you to not speak up or be assertive.

yes, we generally advise newbies to keep the mouth shut, eyes and ears open...

and overall, that is prudent advice.

conversely, you are a mature woman and needn't be categorized with someone 40 yrs your junior.

if i felt i was being chastised by anyone who trained me, i'd be darned if i kept my mouth shut.

it doesn't matter if they were techs/aides, nurses, old, young...whoever it is, you don't have to be anyone's doormat.

to go in home health, you really do need at least a year of med/surg background.

as for ltc, that has its own set of unique stressors, so do not let anyone tell you that it is slower-paced - it's not.

depending on the facility and the shift, you can have a med pass anywhere from 20-60 pts...

all to be completed within a few hours.

depending on the facility, you may also have to do treatments as well.

i do find it a good idea to take a refresher course.

your bon should have listings of these classes.

however you decide to proceed, do not berate yourself as being a failure.

the first year is by far, the hardest.

accountability is huge in nursing.

we all make mistakes, and it is critical that we 'man up' and take full responsibility.

no one, and i mean no one, cares about the million reasons why we err.

we just had better make sure we don't repeat it.

that said and i will repeat, do not ever let anyone put you down or try to make you feel inferior.

i would say this to anyone.

and yes, all newbies need to grow a thick skin, as this profession is not for the meek and demure.

let us know how it goes.

i for one, am rooting for you.

leslie

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