So I've just received my pre-nursing schedule at my CC and I only have 5 classes which is Biology 1, Biology 1 w/ Lab 1, Communications, College Algebra, and English 101.
So is it just me or does this not look like a pre-nursing schedule to you all? I seriously thought I was going to get atleast A&P or an introductory to nursing class, but now I think my advisor has scammed me. Did everyone else schedule look like this when they were doing pre-nursing?
Yes, students can question their advisors. In this case though, her advisor is on point with the classes he scheduled. She didn't get the required grade in her gen bio AP class to advance to A&P. There's a reason she's in biology again and she already explained this when she said her friend who earned a 4 on her AP exam was placed into A&P. Everything she's in looks like the correct set of classes to allow her to progress to her nursing prereqs. There's nothing to question here, her grades proved that she isn't prepared to take A&P yet. The rest of the courses are required core or general lib arts classes that are needed for literally every undergraduate degree in the county
Yes, students can question their advisors. In this case though, her advisor is on point with the classes he scheduled. She didn't get the required grade in her gen bio AP class to advance to A&P. There's a reason she's in biology again and she already explained this when she said her friend who earned a 4 on her AP exam was placed into A&P. Everything she's in looks like the correct set of classes to allow her to progress to her nursing prereqs. There's nothing to question here, her grades proved that she isn't prepared to take A&P yet. The rest of the courses are required core or general lib arts classes that are needed for literally every undergraduate degree in the county
Oh I agree. I wasn't disagreeing but trying to get her to see the examples where she should or can question or make changes, but either way just that she makes sure she knows herself. Everything she needs to know about the curriculum should be accessible.
Oh I agree. I wasn't disagreeing but trying to get her to see the examples where she should or can question or make changes, but either way just that she makes sure she knows herself. Everything she needs to know about the curriculum should be accessible.
Of course, I agree and I'd be lying if I said i never had to fight over classes with an advisor. This individual has had a retaliatory response for everything and has said verbatim that she feels her advisor took something from her. She needs to step back and learn what the requirements are for the classes she needs. I agree completely that a student should understand their curriculum, but it seems she didn't come here to understand; she wanted someone to tell her she's right when in reality, she hasn't taken the time to understand what is needed to start a program. She thinks she should be in A&P, but she didn't prove she has the foundation in bio to take it- she got a 3 on her AP exam and a 3 doesn't earn college credit, period. She also feels that she deserves college credit for getting a 26 on her ACT for English. She seems to have a poor understanding of how college credit works, everyone in here has tried to clarify this for her but it appears that she knows best but that won't get her into the classes that she *wants*
These classes are all required for my school's ASN or BSN. they may let you take AP1 without college algebra first, but my school wouldn't let you go any further in science until you've finished college algebra. And you'd be surprised at how communications will help you interact and deal with people in the correct way once you're in the field. Sounds silly, but it's for a reason. No one's scamming you.
you should be able to pull up your school's catalog and look at the requirements for pre-nursing yourself. I guarantee those classes will be there.
That's not true. I recieved a P in English 101 and College Algebra based on my ACT scores.
Now I'm not saying that you necessarily should, but it can be done. I, for example, haven't ever taken either Engl 101 or College Algebra. On my transcript, I have credit for it though.
When I attended high school many moons ago, people did not take the ACT unless you were going into the military. Everyone took the SAT, and those military bound took the ACT. I know times are much different now, and I see most kids taking the ACT test, but I think they pretty much serve the same purpose, which is to see how much you have learned in high school and how much remediation one may need in college, or if the person can even hack it at their college.
I started my prereqs back in the late 90s and I was young, about 22, so my SAT score was used. They looked at it to make sure I could make it in their college. At no time was it looked at to give me college credit. That is what the AP classes were for. People who took those and scored a 4 or a 5 received college credit for those classes only. Fast forward 15 years and I decided to go back to the same school. This time I had to take what was called an accuplacer test to decide if I needed any remediation. I did extremely well on the English portion, not so well on the math, therefore I had to take some 0 level classes before I could take college algebra. I still had to take the English writing class which at my school in English 111. Maybe your 101 was not the same as my 111 as each school is different. But looking at BSN programs, my English 111 was required and I will have to do another writing class. I think most places call it an expository writing class.
I am assuming your P was equal to a pass? But does that give you credit for the A? As many schools are on a points system and they look at certain classes and assign points for grades an A being the highest amount of points. Where does a P end up on that scale? Also, I am assuming that your ACT English score was out of the park.
There are a lot of factors at play with the OP's original statement. Every single school is different and their standards are different. This girl cannot compare herself to her friend. It's not feasible as they had different scores and grades. I know this OP is fresh out of high school and was thinking she was done with all of those mundane classes. She wants to start her nursing now. Unfortunately, we pretty much still all have to do those mundane classes for our degrees. BSNs have more of those than a ADN. There are more humanity requirements. That is what makes up all of the credits in a degree. Her schedule is very similar to mine when I went back in Fall 2013. And no they were not fun, but I do understand the importance of some of them. We as nurses need to be able to write a decent paper. You have to be able to communicate in the world. College algebra gets a person to start thinking abstractly, not the way we have been taught up until now. It starts to get you to critically think instead of just linear all the time.
I have a new "ANism" for those of you who keep track of these sorts of things:
"The new high school grad who accepts counsel only from herself has a fool for an advisor".
Time for some stark realities, OP. Your high school grades and scores made it clear you needed to be placed in the classes you have on your schedule. A score of 3 on AP Bio is REALLY nothing to crow about, honestly. 4 is the minimum most schools are accepting to issue any college credit; a 3 means you DO NEED to take that class.
Your not having taken college-level English already tells your advisor you need to take it now; having a score of 26 on your ACT only confirms for him that he is correct in his assessment/placement.
You didn't get to "pick anything you wanted". Ok....not sure what it is you thought you were going to "pick" on a 1st semester freshman schedule for a student who intends to attempt entry into a nursing program in a couple of years. Your advisor has been doing this for...how long?....and you believe you know better what you need. This tells me you have no idea what it is you are expected to do concerning coursework completion for that BSN.
If you seemed to have a solid understanding of just what it is your requirements are, what the base requirements are for placement IN those pre-requisite courses, well then I'd be telling you to switch advisors if the one you have isn't measuring up to your expectations. As it stands, however, it seems it is you who is lacking in understanding what it is you need if you hope to succeed.....not him.
Take the schedule you have (as it most certainly looks like a normal one), excel in the courses, and then you will be better-prepared to discuss NEXT semester's schedule!
The P does equal Pass. I also had a Pass/Fail class my last semester in the nursing program (at a different school). P's are not factored into your GPA at all. They don't make a negative or positive impact. They are just there existing on your transcript.
And just to be clear, I was just mentioning that it wasn't impossible. I don't necessarily think it's good idea to skip classes like that. I mentioned earlier that I regretted skipping college algebra, especially in calculus. But at least I took (and passed) calculus, Engl 102, and a bunch of literature classes proving that my education level is probably beyond those two intro classes. The OP just wants to skip college level math altogether which I do not support.
It varies from one school to the next but I can tell you about my experience.
I attended CC for all of my pre-requisites and will begin my nursing classes in the Fall.
At my college, there are pre-requisites and co-requisites for nursing. Pre-requisites are required before you even apply to the nursing program (pre-waitlist, if your school has one). Co-requisites are courses that you can take while in nursing school and/or are on the waitlist. I got all of my co-requisites out of the way early so I can devote all of my time to just my nursing studies.
It looks like your schedule has all pre-requisites. I took general requirement classes (like english composition 1/2, algebra 1/2, statistics, sociology, etc.) before I even applied to the program. I tested out of taking bio and chem but you may have to take both. A&P 1 was a pre-req. A&P 2 was a co-req (as mentioned earlier, I did those both before I even applied), as were microbiology and biochemistry.
I don't think your advisor made a mistake. He/she is setting you up with the courses you need to submit an application to the nursing program.
I hope this helped in some way; best of luck!
EDIT: Wow! I didn't realize there were 6 pages of replies prior to my own and after reading through all of them, my response seems redundant. (Forgive me, still new here.)
OP, please listen to the above posters. They offer sound advice!
Look, I am going for my ADN and my pre-reqs were intro biology, general chemistry, a/p 1 and 2, microbiology, eng 101/102, math courses, psychology 101 and lifespan development. I believe that is all of them. I had to take all of these classes before I could apply to the nursing program to actually take a nursing course. If I were going for my BSN, it would be all of those, plus another semester of either chem or bio, pathology, statistics, and nutrition.
Look, I am going for my ADN and my pre-reqs were intro biology, general chemistry, a/p 1 and 2, microbiology, eng 101/102, math courses, psychology 101 and lifespan development. I believe that is all of them. I had to take all of these classes before I could apply to the nursing program to actually take a nursing course. If I were going for my BSN, it would be all of those, plus another semester of either chem or bio, pathology, statistics, and nutrition.
I'm going for my ADN and I had to take stats and nutrition is a co req. many ADN and BSN prereqs are essentially the same now, we all sit for the same test at the end
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frenchtoastwaffles, BSN, RN
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Yes, students can question their advisors. In this case though, her advisor is on point with the classes he scheduled. She didn't get the required grade in her gen bio AP class to advance to A&P. There's a reason she's in biology again and she already explained this when she said her friend who earned a 4 on her AP exam was placed into A&P. Everything she's in looks like the correct set of classes to allow her to progress to her nursing prereqs. There's nothing to question here, her grades proved that she isn't prepared to take A&P yet. The rest of the courses are required core or general lib arts classes that are needed for literally every undergraduate degree in the county
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