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hello all,
i'm a nursing student. i've been alerted by a few articles, blogs, and forums from which it appears that new grads rns have trouble finding jobs. since i only want to trust reliable sources
i've been doing research all night, and here is information (shocking, unless i'm counting wrong) i've found.
this is from ncsbn satistics, which can be found on their website: https://www.ncsbn.org/1236.htm
statistics by year:
2000
there were 3,103,981 active rn licences in the us
there were 151,982 total new rns(this includes rns getting a license by endorsement,
so let's say about half are new grads)
2005
3,338,888 active licenses in the us
87,864 by nclex (new grads)
77,011 by endorsement
and in 2008 (the most recent year posted):
there were 3,733,299 active licenses
94,321by nclex (new grads)
81,834 by endorsement
now, the bureau of labor statistics at http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos083.htm newest 2010-11 edition states that
"registered nurses (rns) constitute the largest healthcare occupation, with 2.6 million jobs".
with active license being active for 2 years in most states, we can safely assume that an active license means a person who intends to get a job as a nurse. let's do some math here.
there were 3,733,299 active rn licenses in the us in 2008, and 2,618,700 jobs.
so, there were 1,114,599 nurses without jobs.
this number will be higher in 2018, since about 90,000 persons pass nclex each year.
so in 8 years years there will be 4.5 million licensed rns, and how many jobs, according to bls projections? --
3,200,200
now, i'm a nursing student, i've pretty much put my life on the line to get this degree,
so obviously i don't want to scare myself, or anybody else.
am i reading these numbers incorrectly? are they suggesting that over 1 million people got or renewed their licenses and then
within two years married some rich guys and decided not to work, or that over 1 million people were not looking for work?
or have we been duped? into thinking that there's shortage and high demand, and we are guaranteed to find jobs?
who's going to be responsible for this if this is true and there is a shortage of nursing jobs, not nurses? and if this is true,
what are we going to do about it? demonstrations, protests? or quietly complaining on online forums?
please, share your opinions. i'm extremely concerned about this. i hope that i just don't know how these things are calculated
and my suspicions are all wrong. thank you
There is no shortage of nurses, nor is there going to be with the numbers of new grads these schools are puting out twice a years. There are too many nurses that can't get jobs- new grads and us old ones( us they don't want to pay what we are supposed to be making before all this doo doo hit the recession fan) Some of us baby boomer are only in our early 50's that's a long time before we are going to retire, maybe we can get trained into a second career- it's that the biggest nursing joke or we are now supposed to go in homeless shelters and soup kitchens until WE qualify for medicare. Any nurse with over 22yrs experience is in danger of loosing their job now-HR and the management powers that be want them out- it's called payscale. They certainly don't want to take them on as new hires- we are marked and scrutinized form the minute we walk in the door and start the job- the clock it ticking to termination so the hospital can say they are not guilty of age dscrimination.
These nursing programs keep putting out new grads and are not telling prospective students the truth to make informed decisions- "do I really want to take out a $50,000 or greater student loan for a professional education I can't get a job in to pay the loan off.?" It also keeps the school educators employed and the hell with the student.
That doesn't sound like a good idea all around, even if jobs WERE plentiful. Do you really want to be the sole support of the family on one salary?
I understand what you are saying. But his job isn't really helping us..its actually really putting a burden on everything. He has managed to barely get us by while I am out pursuing my "dream job" lol..so the least I can do is to let him have a break and figure out what he wants to do. We are young and he doesn't have a career going yet..it is really a very discouraging and non-rewarding position that undermines his abilities. He is so much more that what he does right now. Its hard on his ego and wallet. SO yeah, I will be the sole provider. I mean, we have only seen maybe 30,000 (most) in our 5 yr marriage. So anything close to 50,000 will be like hitting the lottery!
The newest trend in MY area is to hire nurses as PRN staff and then work them full time. Sounds good, but the pay rate is the SAME as regular staff. It's not per diem - which is considered more $$ in my area. Crazy, but true. I recently worked at a job where I was scheduled full time AND scheduled the same full time call. No, thanks.
Oh yeah- they are doing that, too. To all levels of nursing staff.
There is a girl in one of my classes who is hoping to get into nursing school and she acts like I am speaking a foreign language when I say that new grads are not being hired. She thinks I do not know what I am talking about and insists that all the "people" she knows got hired before they graduated. I have two friends that took years to get into nursing programs. Now that they have finished, they cannot find work and it is depressing especially when you owe all that money for student loans. This is something to consider....
As various posters have highlighted, the economy plays a large role in nursing trends. While thousands are unemployed or under employed, there actually IS a definite shortage. Currently, the majority of hospital units are under staffed. If it weren't for this climate, most nurses would be working. I am a new grad, and three years ago, everyone I knew was securing RN positions without issue. This crappy situation is cyclical, and I think it will improve over the long term. For now, I guess we just have to make due.
I started pre-reqs back in 2007 when nursing was still considered a pretty safe career choice. By the time I started the actual nursing program in 2009 I realized that the job search would be tough but by then it was too late to back out of nursing. As to the situation... well, it's tough for us financially, very tough, but I'm trying to make the best of it and use my time constructively while looking for that first nursing position. I don't think jobs are going to those who necessarily "deserve" them more or worked hardest for them... it seems like the luck of the draw at this point, although the lucky winners have no shortage of platitudes for why they got jobs while others are still struggling.
Some of it comes down to good fortune, some of the jobs happen by way of connections. Also, as new grads, we pretty much have to accept what we can get and be content for now. Some people have the mentality of, "I want "x" nursing, not "y"." Well, there is really no room for that line of thinking at this time, especially as a new grad. Take what you get, make the best of it.
Is that even legal?
Why wouldn't it be? I'm an RN, and have been called in on OT to function as an aid when they've been desperate. A very highly paid aid, at 1.5x my usual RN wage.
Just remember, no matter how hard it is to find a job, your chances are still better than if you majored in psychology or art.
Why wouldn't it be? I'm an RN, and have been called in on OT to function as an aid when they've been desperate. A very highly paid aid, at 1.5x my usual RN wage.Just remember, no matter how hard it is to find a job, your chances are still better than if you majored in psychology or art.
I am confused. I thought the post was saying that LPNs were being called off and aides used in their place.
The other thing I would like to add is that if you are willing to relocate, the job hunt might be a little easier. Of course, relocation is not feasible for everyone. However, if you are open to going to different cities or states, you might land a job faster. This is the route I took, as well as a few of my friends.
Wow, this turned out to be a mind opening thread.
Thanks to the nursing student who started it.
I guess all of us have to find a way to deal with this current situation. From what I hear, we will face more economic challenges in the nearest future.
Good luck to everybody and happy holidays.
Leonardo Del Toro, RN
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Wow...everybody is going crazy over this whole issue. If you try to understand how it all work out on the numbers you'll get nowhere and drive yourself insane in the process. Someone said very well when we must see that this is a very complex situation. Yes it is unfortunate that we can't get the job we want right out of school as we all believed to be possible and even easy. Life is unpredictable. Let me try to breathe some fresh air into this deluge of sorrow out there:
Let's remember that nursing is a profession and a carer, and with any good profession it takes time to develop; it is only because nursing is a high demand profession we have seen in the past an amazing growth and stability and plenty of jobs, however these times are nothing but unstable and so is nursing at this moment. Yes it suck to have a huge debt on our back and not know if we'll be able to pay. But if we have some patience the pendulum will swing again and you'll find yourself in a different place and what was up is now down and what was down is up, that's how life works it's way mysteriously. In the mean while try to use this as an opportunity to reflect and digest all you've learned and to also think about others. Think about the people who are your clients, and your business. They are mostly patients who suffer and die, let's think about them as people with feeling and not only as a way for us to make money and than go buy all that crap we see for sale. If we focus on what is really going on and not what we would like to see we learn and grow.
Thank you and good luck