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Is this even LEGAL?!?!

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Our CEO just pulled me into his office today to inform me that 'corporate' is not happy about the raise I just got 2 months ago and he has to 'readjust' my pay, giving me over 2 dollars an hour cut in pay!!! My job as a charge nurse has not changed, just what the 'company' is willing to pay me. I have never heard of such absurdity. Needless to say, my resume is in the works as we speak and I am out of there after just shy of a year. They must think I'm a fool! By the way, I am a member of prepaid legal and will be investigating this with an attorney, but does anyone know off hand if this is a violation of wage and labor. It sure should be!

NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN

Specializes in Vents, Telemetry, Home Care, Home infusion. Has 44 years experience.

Unless under union or written contract, wage adjustments are at the discretion of the employer to my knowledge. Just like continuing to work for an employer is at the discretion of the employee ---especially when feeling mistreated. ;)

eriksoln, BSN, RN

Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary. Has 15 years experience.

I had this problem in another job, when I was a teenager. I accepted a position at a place in a grocerie store and two weeks later, they told me they were "very happy with your performance and attendence, but we started you too high and must cut back your pay to reflect your time in the store".

Problem was, I was young and did the salary comparison thing with other employees. Some people had been there for a number of years and never got raises for this and that reason. When they found out I made the same as them, they complained. Of course, the store manager cut my pay back instead of giving them the raises they were seeking.

My way of handling it was simple, I didnt show up anymore. I basically told them "I accepted the job under a certain compensation agreement. To change the hourly wage means you are bringing me back to the bargaining table. I do not accept the position under the new wage. As long as I make the original wage we agreed on, I will continue to work. If you would like a two week noitce, I need to make the original wage during that notice. Once the new wage begins, I will be declineing the new wage and will no longer be employeed by you".

They made the wage change effective immediately and I didnt do a two week notice. They called me a few times and asked why I had not shown up for work. As if they didnt know. I find it amazing that they expected two weeks notice under the new wage. They didnt get it.

Mr Ian

Specializes in mental health; hangover remedies. Has 15 years experience.

They made the wage change effective immediately and I didnt do a two week notice. They called me a few times and asked why I had not shown up for work. As if they didnt know. I find it amazing that they expected two weeks notice under the new wage. They didnt get it.

Kudos.

Unfortunately that seems to be the way of the world - take it or leave it.

Unless you have a written binding contract stipulating your rate of pay or there is an organisational pay spine/policy - they are an independent arbitrator. And, as has been said, reply with your feet. It's all about the competitive market - and it goes both ways.

eriksoln, BSN, RN

Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary. Has 15 years experience.

Kudos.

Unfortunately that seems to be the way of the world - take it or leave it.

Unless you have a written binding contract stipulating your rate of pay or there is an organisational pay spine/policy - they are an independent arbitrator. And, as has been said, reply with your feet. It's all about the competitive market - and it goes both ways.

:rolleyes:Of course, this was easier to do for me, since I was a teen and it was just spending money for me. Its different if you have children relying on you and bills to pay. I just dont want to give the impression that I think this type of assertiveness is always appropriate.

Mr Ian

Specializes in mental health; hangover remedies. Has 15 years experience.

I just dont want to give the impression that I think this type of assertiveness is always appropriate.

Indeed - but it's great when you can.

I've walked away from two jobs without giving notice - once over unsafe conditions.

The other one was a personality clash with the CEO/Company owner - I told her either she has to go or I do. :)

That's what I thought. It sure sucks, tho. I hate looking for a job, but that is what I will be doing.

CathyLew

Specializes in MSP, Informatics. Has 17 years experience.

Our CEO just pulled me into his office today to inform me that 'corporate' is not happy about the raise I just got 2 months ago and he has to 'readjust' my pay, giving me over 2 dollars an hour cut in pay!!!

Did you have a contract?

one time at our hospital, finances were real bad, and they asked the RN's to take a 5% wage cut for 6 months to stop the hospital from going under. The union voted. we agreed to take a 6 month cut to help out. Management was forced to take the same cut. The LPN unions, Unit clerc unions, and tech unions all voted and did not agree to take a cut. Well, to save more money, the hospital laid off some staff..... LPN's, Tech's and unit secretaries... all the ones that voted not to take a cut to help out the hospital. funny conicidence!

After 6 months, the hosptial asked if we would keep our wage at the 5% drop. We voted, and voted no at this point. 6 months had given the hosptial a boost, and finances had improved. Management never got their 5% back.

Jules A, MSN

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.

To me that is just a BS move. As an employer dinkling around with someone's pay is the kiss of death. If they don't accept a polite, "I'm sorry that is not acceptable as I feel I am a valuable employee and worth that amount" and continue you at your current rate I'd be interviewing immediately. I'm sorry they pulled this with you. Hang in there and please keep us posted.

Employers have the right to change your pay as well as other working conditions as they see fit in the absence of a written contract. You would do well to seek employment elsewhere.

They can, and you can leave. Find something else first, though, and don't leap from the frying pan into the fire.

pagandeva2000, LPN

Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.

Did you have a contract?

one time at our hospital, finances were real bad, and they asked the RN's to take a 5% wage cut for 6 months to stop the hospital from going under. The union voted. we agreed to take a 6 month cut to help out. Management was forced to take the same cut. The LPN unions, Unit clerc unions, and tech unions all voted and did not agree to take a cut. Well, to save more money, the hospital laid off some staff..... LPN's, Tech's and unit secretaries... all the ones that voted not to take a cut to help out the hospital. funny conicidence!

After 6 months, the hosptial asked if we would keep our wage at the 5% drop. We voted, and voted no at this point. 6 months had given the hosptial a boost, and finances had improved. Management never got their 5% back.

Yes, that is conicidental...and not surprizing to me at all. Sometimes, unions have to know when to hold and when to fold. Everyone needs their job, especially these days. And we pay the unions to have wise foresight for things like this. What is sad, however, is that now, much of that work probably fell on the RNs that remained, which, management did benefit in the long run.:down:

eriksoln, BSN, RN

Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary. Has 15 years experience.

I've worked at hospitals, as a traveler, with very low moral. And, to my surprise, they sometimes are the higher paying RN jobs in the area. They save money by cutting all the support staff down to the bare bones (dietary, CNAs, housekeeping) and giving the RNs a dollar more an hour. This creates an impossible work environment.

sailornurse

Specializes in ER/Tele, Med-Surg, Faculty, Urgent Care. Has 39 years experience.

When you got the raise, did you get anything in writing that was signed by you direct manager? If you did, that might be viewed as a "legal contract". Have you contacted the Human Resources dept or if your state has a labor relations board, you should contact them.

I had to contact the labor board on a local hospital. As soon as i said I was a nurse, the man says, " Oh And you work at the hospital, I guess I'll be calling (he named her by first name) the head of human resources.

Yup, time to start looking for another job. Do keep a paper trail in case they try to give you a negative reference when you leave. I would keep it quiet that I was looking to move, I would not be hasty and take the first job.

Look at it as a New Opportunity. Good Luck?:D

BabyLady, BSN, RN

Specializes in NICU, Post-partum.

I'll share something with you that happened with a friend of mine, so you can make educated decisions.

I had a friend of mine that was working in upper-level management for a company...he knew his worth in his field and felt he wasn't getting paid what he was worth. Repeated requests for a raise were denied.

Well, he went job searching...within two weeks he was offered a job with a competitor at a significant pay raise...he accepted the job offer.

Now here is where it got sticky......

He went to his employer to put in notice...his boss looked at him and said, "You are leaving over money right?" My friend said, "Yup, other than that, I would stay."

That same afternoon, my friend got notice that he was getting a $27K per year raise...this exceeded the job offer he recently got...so he called them back..told them he was staying where he was.

5 months later, my friend's boss called him in his office and terminated him.

Turned out my friend only got a raise b/c they really needed him to stay...but needed a few months to find a cheaper replacement.

The reason I am telling you this..is be careful and keep your eyes open if they suddenly become "reasonable" with the salary.

bagladyrn, RN

Specializes in OB.

Given the current economic crisis, I think this will become a more common scenario. Another option you may want to consider, if this job is otherwise beneficial to you - location, work conditions, etc. is to negotiate other compensation to "make up for" your acceptance of a pay cut. Would they consider increasing vacation or PTO days, giving you a better shift, increased education compensation, guaranteed hours? May not work, but it's always worth asking. Of course, be sure to get any offers in writing.

ghillbert, MSN, NP

Specializes in CTICU. Has 20 years experience.

I'll share something with you that happened with a friend of mine, so you can make educated decisions.

I had a friend of mine that was working in upper-level management for a company...he knew his worth in his field and felt he wasn't getting paid what he was worth. Repeated requests for a raise were denied.

Well, he went job searching...within two weeks he was offered a job with a competitor at a significant pay raise...he accepted the job offer.

Now here is where it got sticky......

He went to his employer to put in notice...his boss looked at him and said, "You are leaving over money right?" My friend said, "Yup, other than that, I would stay."

That same afternoon, my friend got notice that he was getting a $27K per year raise...this exceeded the job offer he recently got...so he called them back..told them he was staying where he was.

5 months later, my friend's boss called him in his office and terminated him.

Turned out my friend only got a raise b/c they really needed him to stay...but needed a few months to find a cheaper replacement.

The reason I am telling you this..is be careful and keep your eyes open if they suddenly become "reasonable" with the salary.

I can't say I blame the employer in that scenario - very common in corporate world. Once someone has made it known that they are only there for the money, I'd be looking for a replacement too.

I can't say I blame the employer in that scenario - very common in corporate world. Once someone has made it known that they are only there for the money, I'd be looking for a replacement too.

he did nt say it was only money......

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