Is the Coronavirus beginning the breakdown of our society?

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Doesn't it feel like this might be a very rocky time for humanity? Our healthcare system already felt like it was stressed to the max, and then this virus came along to bring it to its knees.

And now the general economy is becoming unraveled. The intricate web of the global economy seems to be quickly falling to pieces.

I hope a societal breakdown isn't on the horizon.

1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Trump is relevant. His failures of leadership and management are relevant. It is partisan to object only or primarily to political discussion which criticizes Trump. Why is he off limits? Why is it partisan to discuss him and not partisan to refuse to discuss his leadership?

It is partisan because it's ALL you talk about.

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11 minutes ago, Emergent said:

I'm sure if Hilary Clinton was in charge, people would be raking her over the coals.

My point is, it doesn't matter who is in charge. My premise is that we are currently locked into a global economy, and a healthcare system, that is headed for a big crisis on a worldwide level.

Different political parties have a slightly different way of handling the system, but the system itself is destined for a collapse eventually.

Between the population explosion , the degradation of the environment, the dependence on finite energy supplies, this can't last.

I agree, I honestly don't see how the system hasn't collapsed already. We have all those issues you state, plus now we have an even bigger deficit plus the an extreme polarization that I don't think we have ever had before. This country has always had a two party system but IMO people were able to have discussions, disagree and move on. We are locked in with China because they hold much of our debt so that obviously has bearing on relationships with them as well as other countries. It's only when (and not if) will the breakdown happen.

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26 minutes ago, Orca said:

I am rapidly reaching the point when I will put social media on an extended hiatus. I see so much false and inflammatory information on it, and people who feel the need to ram their opinions (especially political) down others' throats. The amount of ignorance is staggering.

Indeed. left facebook some time ago for these reasons exactly.

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17 minutes ago, Emergent said:

I'm sure if Hilary Clinton was in charge, people would be raking her over the coals.

My point is, it doesn't matter who is in charge. My premise is that we are currently locked into a global economy, and a healthcare system, that is headed for a big crisis on a worldwide level.

Different political parties have a slightly different way of handling the system, but the system itself is destined for a collapse eventually.

Between the population explosion , the degradation of the environment, the dependence on finite energy supplies, this can't last.

Oh sure.

Lets speculate about someone else in a very negative and partisan way, rather than discuss the facts and evidence of this administration's pandemic response.

Just now, juniper222 said:

It is partisan because it's ALL you talk about.

Perhaps you don't understand what partisan means. I'm going to go with that...

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3 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

It is partisan because it's ALL you talk about.

Oh, come now. No, it isn't hardly. And I suspect what really irks him or her is that s/he is unable to EVER say anything regardless how factually accurate without two or three of you melting down and turning it into a food fight.

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10 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Oh sure.

Lets speculate about someone else in a very negative and partisan way, rather than discuss the facts and evidence of this administration's pandemic response.

Perhaps you don't understand what partisan means. I'm going to go with that...

"partisan

If something is prejudicial towards a particular point of view, you can call it partisan. You'll often hear of the partisan politics in the U.S.— since politicians seem to be completely devoted to the agendas of their own parties."

When you blame one side for everything is that not partisan? Have we blamed or criticized the the other party in this thread?

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6 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Oh sure.

Lets speculate about someone else in a very negative and partisan way, rather than discuss the facts and evidence of this administration's pandemic response.

Perhaps you don't understand what partisan means. I'm going to go with that...

OK, I see you are determined to engage in another marathon debate on this thread. I've noticed that of that is your thing here, one reason I don't like to engage with you often on all nurses. I'm not going to respond to you anymore, since that's really not my cup of tea.

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6 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

"partisan

If something is prejudicial towards a particular point of view, you can call it partisan. You'll often hear of the partisan politics in the U.S.— since politicians seem to be completely devoted to the agendas of their own parties."

When you blame one side for everything is that not partisan?

Certainly. That's what you think I'm doing. But in reality, I'm simply making relevant and factual comments about and critiques of Trump's management of this pandemic. I'm refusing to allow people to incorrectly suggest that the WHO or some other person or entities are responsible for the actions or judgement of the chief executive.

It is partisan, to respond to that by speculating negatively about a liberal politician with no leadership role.

That makes these discussions tedious.

2 minutes ago, Emergent said:

OK, I see you are determined to engage in another marathon debate on this thread. I've noticed that of that is your thing here, one reason I don't like to engage with you often on all nurses. I'm not going to respond to you anymore, since that's really not my cup of tea.

Fine by me. This is a discussion forum.

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48 minutes ago, Emergent said:

I'm sure if Hilary Clinton was in charge, people would be raking her over the coals. 

My point is, it doesn't matter who is in charge. My premise is that we are currently locked into a global economy, and a healthcare system, that is headed for a big crisis on a worldwide level.

Different political parties have a slightly different way of handling the system, but the system itself is destined for a collapse eventually.

Between the population explosion , the degradation of the environment, the dependence on finite energy supplies, this can't last.

Well, she isn't in charge and she's been a private citizen since 2015. Last I looked it's 2020 so there's no reason to even bring her name up in discussion of anything that's happened since and the only time it seems to come up is when the far right needs fallback to their best boogeywoman to distract their base from something or other.

That said, I do get your point and my pessimistic side is inclined to agree *particularly* given the hyperpolarization in front of us. My better angels say the USA is not a poor country; it is a rich country. The problem is, the middle class, mainly domestic professionals have been carrying the national tax burden for everyone above and below that and anytime anyone even SUGGESTS , gee maybe the hedge fund brothers or some inherited wealth playboy/girl should chip into the federal revenue coffers, you'll have everyone of their cable shows along with the 53 million churchmice they brainwaished all up in arms screaming about how that would "SOCIALISM" (whereas I suppose taxing a married pair of nurses at 35-43 pct when all is said and done is NOT Socialism). So now nurses get to go out and swim in Corvid all day without even PPE while the leisure class are hiding safely in their bunkers and vacation homes in New Zealand. That's fair they tell me, and the same people who do , will be telling me in a few years that we just "can't afford" the SS and Medicare that we've been paying for everyone else to have for 1-4 decades respectively.

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10 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

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When you blame one side for everything is that not partisan? Have we blamed or criticized the the other party in this thread? 

right but even acknowledging I can give as good as anyone when a partisan food fight erupts, the honest question is this. is anyone really doing what you are charging OR could it be the person at the helm of the Federal Response and Resources happens to be someone you voted for and you are going into auto-pilot defense mode?

you don't have to answer this of course. I'm just offering it for thought. fwiw, it's a question I ask myself in various contexts as well.

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24 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

We are locked in with China because they hold much of our debt so that obviously has bearing on relationships with them as well as other countries. It's only when (and not if) will the breakdown happen. 

Actually at least 70% of the US debt is American owned with the remaining approximately 30% foreign - with China and Japan at top followed by Ireland.

This easily verifiable on the US Treasury website or the Statistical Abstract of the United States.

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I think that if people can't speak about politics without getting personally offended, they should engage in political discussion rather than to try to dictate what can be discussed.

I'm not personally offended when someone mentions or says negative things about Clinton. I wasn't personally offended when people called Obama a Muslim traitor or called his wife names ( even here in AN). I do respond to lies and fabrications and misrepresentation of the truth.

Donald Trump is the leader of the country. This is his win or loss.

McConnell runs the Senate. Republicans control a lot of what happens federally. Republicans were in control of the budgets and state houses of 70% of the states for a number of years...I think that changed in 2018. Consideration of society and it's recovery or collapse will need to include some examination of governance and political priorities. IMV

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