Is the Coronavirus beginning the breakdown of our society?

Nurses COVID

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Doesn't it feel like this might be a very rocky time for humanity? Our healthcare system already felt like it was stressed to the max, and then this virus came along to bring it to its knees.

And now the general economy is becoming unraveled. The intricate web of the global economy seems to be quickly falling to pieces.

I hope a societal breakdown isn't on the horizon.

21 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

I don't believe it was man made (although never say never). There have been scientists that worked in the lab who state it is probable that the virus escaped the lab.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/04/14/the-washington-post-goes-rogue-china-lab-in-focus-of-coronavirus-outbreak/#28551bb61ee1

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8009669/Did-coronavirus-originate-Chinese-government-laboratory.html

I maintain an open mind on this subject until it becomes a fact. But the simplest explanation is the most likely IMHO. I will be watching to see if anything comes up because if it is true we may end up on the brink of war. And that is too awful to contemplate.

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28 minutes ago, Emergent said:

I think this has been a fruitful discussion. We've covered a lot of aspects of this. I hope it doesn't degenerate into just a political Tit for Tat, endless and fruitless debate.

I don't want it to either, at least not for the partisan joy of dinging one party or the other for the sake of doing so , but I'm also not going to dance around the hard facts because it upsets some hyperpartisan who can't handle any criticism of their partisan idols without melting down. If we can't do an honest retrospective as to what happened then how in the hell do you get out of it and how do you prepare for Wave 2 and 3, not to mention the next zoonotic special?

Understand this got real personal today as my spouse had to be tested after developing a dry cough. Therefore, you'll pardon me, I hope, if today, as never before, if I'm decidedly uninterested in entertaining a misguided Faustian Bargain where hundreds of millions of people over 35 with any kind of medical history are deemed expendable in the name of "herd immunity" that failed miserably in the country that tried it. Not even if I actually believed Lorna Lu and Billie Bob being able to get a much needed haircut was going to "save" the economy with the regions representative of every major industry we have shut down.

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21 minutes ago, Emergent said:

It could have been carried out of the lab accidentally by a lab worker. Then that person infected others around them and so forth. That is a possibility.

But, it's like discussing the origins of life. All we know for sure is that life originated and we are here to have this discussion. Whether life was created by God as literally outlined in the Bible, or the Big Bang Theory, doesn't have a whole lot of influence on our day-to-day lives.

I just posted an article that said the genetic analysis demonstrated wild origin of the virus.

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On 4/22/2020 at 6:45 AM, Nurse SMS said:

...but the minute I get off social media, I can see where good things are happening too. I sincerely recommend it. It seriously helps.

I am rapidly reaching the point when I will put social media on an extended hiatus. I see so much false and inflammatory information on it, and people who feel the need to ram their opinions (especially political) down others' throats. The amount of ignorance is staggering.

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9 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I just posted an article that said the genetic analysis demonstrated wild origin of the virus.

And I just posted that it doesn't matter how it got here, it's here.

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41 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

How is talking about the governance and leadership of a society off topic in a discussion of the breakdown of society? Society literally thrives or fails because of political leadership and governance.

Maybe you can explain how that discussion would be helpful.

And you wish to drag Trump into every thread on this website. I agree that government has much to do with order but that includes many more facets than just Trump. There is much to government including local, state, federal, you get the idea. How do you think turning every thread into a partisan debate is going to be beneficial to anyone?

There are many, many things one can talk about in the topic without making it all about Trump. I can see everyone who visits saying to themselves " Here we go again." I for one am tired of it and would just like to participate in a non partisan thread.

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6 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

we may end up on the brink of war. And that is too awful to contemplate.

I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it. I wouldn't use the Daily Mail for toilet paper, but the Fortune opinion cited a scientist discussing an old concern that that a virus *could jump out of a lab rather than providing any evidence it did. Throw in that it also noted the lab of concern operates with US involvement and funding, and we'd probably have a bit of problem even if it had...

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3 minutes ago, Emergent said:

And I just posted that it doesn't matter how it got here, it's here.

That wasn't the reason that I mentioned the genetic analysis relative to your comment.

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4 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

And you wish to drag Trump into every thread on this website. I agree that government has much to do with order but that includes many more facets than just Trump. There is much to government including local, state, federal, you get the idea. How do you think turning every thread into a partisan debate is going to be beneficial to anyone?

There are many, many things one can talk about in the topic without making it all about Trump. I can see everyone who visits saying to themselves " Here we go again." I for one am tired of it and would just like to participate in a non partisan thread.

You probably won't believe this, but I never wanted to make it "about" Trump. An honest assessment of what happened to get us here , and what needs to be done to get us out that we aren't addressing is impossible if we can't acknowledge the failures of the Administration and instead have to deflect it to the fault of someone else all the time.

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I'm sure if Hilary Clinton was in charge, people would be raking her over the coals.

My point is, it doesn't matter who is in charge. My premise is that we are currently locked into a global economy, and a healthcare system, that is headed for a big crisis on a worldwide level.

Different political parties have a slightly different way of handling the system, but the system itself is destined for a collapse eventually.

Between the population explosion , the degradation of the environment, the dependence on finite energy supplies, this can't last.

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29 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

I maintain an open mind on this subject until it becomes a fact. But the simplest explanation is the most likely IMHO. I will be watching to see if anything comes up because if it is true we may end up on the brink of war. And that is too awful to contemplate.

I maintain an open mind also. I too am watching and hope that an investigation will provide some answers one way or the other (although not holding my breath). I don't think either way will lead to war but it would make a difference in the way we do business/spending on the global scale.

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3 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

And you wish to drag Trump into every thread on this website. I agree that government has much to do with order but that includes many more facets than just Trump. There is much to government including local, state, federal, you get the idea. How do you think turning every thread into a partisan debate is going to be beneficial to anyone?

There are many, many things one can talk about in the topic without making it all about Trump. I can see everyone who visits saying to themselves " Here we go again." I for one am tired of it and would just like to participate in a non partisan thread.

Trump is relevant. His failures of leadership and management are relevant. It is partisan to object only or primarily to political discussion which criticizes Trump. Why is he off limits? Why is it partisan to discuss him and not partisan to refuse to discuss his leadership?

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