Is the Coronavirus beginning the breakdown of our society?

[Emergent]

Doesn't it feel like this might be a very rocky time for humanity? Our healthcare system already felt like it was stressed to the max, and then this virus came along to bring it to its knees.

And now the general economy is becoming unraveled. The intricate web of the global economy seems to be quickly falling to pieces.

I hope a societal breakdown isn't on the horizon.

[HandsOffMySteth]

17 minutes ago, Emergent said:

It's an accident of nature if a mutated virus can damage the health of organisms. It's rather random.

There are conspiracy theories out there about the origins of this one. I don't subscribe to them, but I guess anything's possible.

It's also an accident of nature if a meteor hits the Earth. Of course this could easily bring Humanity to its knees. Eventually something will.

There is also a possibility that CV19 will mutate into something worse. Viruses are not the best at transcription.

[Daisy4RN]

2 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

There is also a possibility that CV19 will mutate. Viruses are not the best at transcription.

I also heard they have id'd 30 new strains, didn't hear the specifics but I assumed they were not mutated, if true just as scary.

[HandsOffMySteth]

9 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

I have heard that it may be possible that the virus escaped the Wuhan lab where the Chinese scientist were working with it. I am sure we will never know for sure as the Communist Chinese gov covers its tracts. We also know that there were at least two Chinese MDs who tried to warn the public about the virus, 1 died and the other one disappeared. I hope this is investigated whether or not we ever get to the truth.

China will hold nothing back to cover the tracks if it was made by them. The whole world is quite angry at them for this mess and trying to hide it while it was in country to save political face. They accused the U.S. Army of sneaking this virus into China as well.

I have read reports that state that this is not a manufactured virus but they never go into detail about what markers would demonstrate that. The only thing they said was that the virus is too perfect to have been man made. Either way, it will require some actual science before I come to a conclusion either way.

[guest1146168]

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

A virus does not have a purpose of killing humans. If anything, it's purpose is reproducing itself.

There's long been a stripe of thought inside and outside the scientific community that viruses are an important part of life development as it exchanges DNA genomes within and sometimes across species. I think it's called the dancing matrix ( in full disclosure it's been a long while since I studied Microbiology)

In the long run, perhaps coronaviruses will lead to dominant hereditary of people with more advanced physiology. The devil is in the fresh hell it takes to get there I suppose.

[guest1146168]

46 minutes ago, Emergent said:

There are conspiracy theories out there about the origins of this one. I don't subscribe to them, but I guess anything's possible.

I don't either, particularly as most of those conspiracy theories originated from fantastical and politics of convenience type sources. Leaving aside the fact that China would have zero incentive to infect the predominant customer of it's global economic engine with a lethal virus (duh) , there's not a single credible expert in the microbiological/medical hemisphere that subscribes to them - at least that I can find. In fact, I have only seen real experts ttrying to put out the conspiracy theories.

The likely explanation and evidence pointing to (another) zoonotic disease jumping from reptile to mammal in China is very much an Occam's Razor to anyone with even a cursory of microbiological understanding ... which one would assume would be those of us for whom it is an established curriculum requirement for our professions,

[guest1146168]

24 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

China will hold nothing back to cover the tracks if it was made by them. The whole world is quite angry at them for this mess and trying to hide it while it was in country to save political face. They accused the U.S. Army of sneaking this virus into China as well.

I agree they wouldn't but can't find any logical explanation to explain why they would be engaging in biological warfare against the largest global customer responsible for keeping their economy alive, before we even get into the fact that Corvid (SARS COV 2) follows at least two prior zoonotic viruses to come from their wet markets.

The world has good reason to be angry with China, in my opinion. They should have addressed their wet market problem after SARS COV1 or at least after MERS. On the other hand we've known since 2003 and sat on our hands as our private sector effectively outsourced their entire supply chain to China.

PS - they did accuse the US Army of originating it but that was after/in response to being accused of engineering it for biological warfare by someone or other in the Administration, so I can't hold that against them.

[Emergent, RN]

I agree. This global shutdown will hurt China very much, since what hurts its best customer, hurts them.

I don't know what's going to happen when this really hits the third world. Although, with their younger population, it may not hit them so hard. They will be better able to let the natural process of herd immunity happen on its own.

But, the First World will not be able to continue to come to rescue of poor countries if our own economies fall apart.

[guest1146168]

5 minutes ago, Emergent said:

I agree. This global shutdown will hurt China very much, since what hurts its best customer, hurts them.

I don't know what's going to happen when this really hits the third world. Although, with their younger population, it may not hit them so hard. They will be better able to let the natural process of herd immunity happen on its own.

But, the First World will not be able to continue to come to rescue of poor countries if our own economies fall apart.

I don't know either. Yes, you would think that the demographics (median age) advantage might help. Then again look what happened in Iran and what's going on in Ecuador.

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, juniper222 said:

There is also a possibility that CV19 will mutate into something worse. Viruses are not the best at transcription.

Scientifically, the fact that the majority of those suffering infection survive and there are a large number of asymptomatic spreaders, coupled with the high rate of transmission shifts the odds somewhat to the likelihood that mutations could be less virulent. But it's really a roll of the dice. Just like making the jump from animal to human illness and then to be wildly transmissable almost immediately...luck

[toomuchbaloney]

13 minutes ago, Emergent said:

I agree. This global shutdown will hurt China very much, since what hurts its best customer, hurts them.

I don't know what's going to happen when this really hits the third world. Although, with their younger population, it may not hit them so hard. They will be better able to let the natural process of herd immunity happen on its own.

But, the First World will not be able to continue to come to rescue of poor countries if our own economies fall apart.

And certainly not if they yank money for the WHO in the midst of the global pandemic.

[HandsOffMySteth]

28 minutes ago, HeartlandRN said:

I agree they wouldn't but can't find any logical explanation to explain why they would be engaging in biological warfare against the largest global customer responsible for keeping their economy alive, before we even get into the fact that Corvid (SARS COV 2) follows at least two prior zoonotic viruses to come from their wet markets.

The world has good reason to be angry with China, in my opinion. They should have addressed their wet market problem after SARS COV1 or at least after MERS. On the other hand we've known since 2003 and sat on our hands as our private sector effectively outsourced their entire supply chain to China.

PS - they did accuse the US Army of originating it but that was after/in response to being accused of engineering it for biological warfare by someone or other in the Administration, so I can't hold that against them.

From what I understand of the man made theory, There virus got out of containment at a lab near the origin. That lab was working on coronaviruses. It was not done on purpose. The last thing they would want is for it to break containment.

I am not inclined to believe this theory.

[guest1146168]

7 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Scientifically, the fact that the majority of those suffering infection survive and there are a large number of asymptomatic spreaders, coupled with the high rate of transmission shifts the odds somewhat to the likelihood that mutations could be less virulent. But it's really a role of the dice. Just like making the jump from animal to human illness and then to be wildly transmissable almost immediately...luck

excellent point. suggest you just nailed what has many people unnerved: more typically when viruses mutate to become airborne they become less lethal.