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Staffs full, nurses struggle for work

Recession hits a once-sure thing

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2009/04/18/staffs_full_nurses_struggle_for_work/?page=full

I hear everyday that many nurses have lost their jobs, it hasn't been this bad in a very long time. So much for nursing being recession proof.

I only post this since I predict that many nurses especially new nurses without ties will be moving to areas of the US to get employed.

Why is that crazy?

Cuz, That is the bulk of their training........

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Cuz, That is the bulk of their training........

Then I suggest you ask this question in the student nurse forum and see what they have to say regarding their training. I am not seeing this

I feel, reading the Philippine forum, that for some there are some schools that are just there for the money and do not provide proper training and clinical experience, this is what I am reading. We read facts that less than 50% pass the local exam, schools that fare bad like this should be looked at and standards need to be improved. The Philippine nurses many years ago had a good if not excellent reputation unfortunately we are seeing more complaints against them especially in the press which is bringing it down for the Philippine nurses that are excellent and caring now.

Are their Nursing School in PI just for the money, Sure there are, I don't remember ever seen a post where someone has argued that it doesn't exist. But it gets thrown almost daily in this forum section

I am sure there are Nursing School in many other countries that are thier just for the money, and I am sure their are some in USA.

Should that fare less than 50% in PI should be looked at and standard apporved, I agree but it is what it is in PI.

In PI people have to be a certain age or certain height or skin complexion to get a certain job, Is it fair or right, Of course not but it happens and it is the way it is.

I am amazed that ads for jobs say: Applicant must be between 21 to 25, Light Complexion, a minimum height and please include photo in Application.

culturally,yes..We are not argumentative in nature and its a taboo to argue publicly but lemme be an exception to that...i know a LOT of Filipinos here are just lurking,probably having some headache reading the same thing over and over again from the same people whom i do not know what their true purpose/agenda for doing so. I should know because I stopped posting here because of this very main reason and because of these same old people.....

The last time I checked, a lot of the foreign nurses protested against some members here..But too bad.....things haven't changed a bit... Business as usual for these people...

US nurses leave the profession because of how they are treated. Not because in your opinion they are not prepared for 'real life.' I know I wanted to work in the US but it used to frighten me on how easy it is to fire someone and the lack of support in most cases there are for nurses. In some states the ratio of nurse to patient is bad and to work in a nursing home and be responsible for over 30 patients is hard. How can you dispense medication to patients in the time window allowed is beyond me with no allowance to emergencies and I think is more open to errors.

So all these exist and are part of Nursing in USA.

Maybe it's just part of being a Nurse, Either you can take it or you can't, is it the weeding process

Why don't educators have them prepared for what they are going to face in "Real Life"

Then I suggest you ask this question in the student nurse forum and see what they have to say regarding their training. I am not seeing this

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There was a thead in Texas Section about a certain "XXXXXX Nursing Institute" and the students were complaining about people cheating on tests and not being kicked out, and the bulk of their clinicals were bathing patients, It seems like the thread got pulled to another section

But you don't see me or others saying "US Schools are infrerior" becasue of a few.

Just like some people dislike Police officers because their are a couple bad eggs in the mix. It's not fair and wrong to label all just because of a select few.

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This thread is about the effects of recession on nursing in the US, not about nursing schools in the Philippines, or where is the best place to study, if this is something that is of interest could I suggest starting another thread.

Please stay on topic, it would be interesting to hear how the recession and it's effects on nursing recruitment has impacted on international nurses in the US and in other countries.

In the UK nursing jobs have been scarce for some time, however because the NHS is government funded at the moment the financial climate hasn't seemed to impact on nursing jobs as yet.

First of all US are making nursing better through protesting unfair and unsafe working conditions. It has been my observation when nurses are passive it is there patients who suffer. Who says American Nurses can't cut it as nurses, I think the millions of nurses working 24/7 in the USA are a testament to the success of nursing in the USA.

I will repeat the best place to get nursing education is the country you wish to practice.

As far as discouraging foreign nurses, the reality is there are no recruitment of foreign nurses in my area. There are no Visas available for foreign nurses unless they marry and an American. Why would some one encourage a person to come to a country where there are no Visa or nursing positions. This has nothing to do with the country of origin it is just common sense. Why encourage foreign nurses to spend money when there are no positions for them.

Obstacles Foreign Nurses will have coming to another country is real. There is no way to sugar coat it. I think Canada is right by doing an assessment of each nurse's background. As an experience nurse if I choose a specialty outside the areas I practice ( such as maternity, peds, etc) I would expect similar treatment as IEN. My skills would have to assessed, training, testing, and mentoring this is just a fact, for me to think I could function at a high level is foolish and unsafe. IEN have similar obstacles it is not meant to deter nursing practice but inform. I get the impression that some IEN think they can just in and practice with out an orientation and evaluation period and places that do not provide this step are providing unsafe nursing practice. I would not take offense if I switched specialties IEN should not take offense when they have to be tested and oriented to their new jobs. And it is a fact when an IEN Is hired , just like if I was hired for another specialty this is a huge cost to the hospital this is a fact.

A big issue here is trying to have a professional conversation with non nurses. One issue I have personally have is IEN I have worked with thought is was below their nursing practice to clean and change a bed for a patient and would allow a patient to sit in a dirty bed until a nursing assistant was available. As a professional nurse I have never thought I was above helping a patient.

As a nursing instructor I stop this behavior from day one. Being a non nurse, the only information I would think one can post is hear say information and in my opinion this detracts from nursing professionals sharing information since we are side tracked with innuendos and second hand information.

Cleaning a patient protects the patient's dignity and is a wonderful time to complete an head to toe assessment. Of course it would be ridiculous to give an assignment of bed baths and bed making, I have never seen an instructor do that, but in the course of caring for a patient there is a need for a bed bath of course the student needs to do this.

Catching Up. USA/Canada/England and other Western Cultures are the minority not majority as far as World Population. Don't assume just because it's the way or custom where you live it's the same around the world

USA granted Philippines Independence after WW2, and they could of easily been another state just like Hawaii. Check out Bataan Death March and you will see how much US and Philippines Troops suffered during WW 2.

I for one couldn't find Philippines on the map a couple of years ago, I took a trip over there to see a house my cousin had built, and I had little to no knowlege of PI.

If you talk to any older people men who served in the Military in your area, You will find they know a lot of PI. More than likely they fought or trained over there. My Neighbor trained in PI for the Korean War.

This is a nursing board, not a US History board. I don't see the need for this post except to divide nurses by nationality.

I think more Philippines would speak up, but it's not their nature or culture to argue or disagree in public places or forums.

Maybe we should discuss why so many U.S. Trained Nurses quit or can't handle working in USA, and to me the blame should go on the Education System that is followed in US.

In my opinion, they don't train or prepare US Nurse for real life and working conditions they will be working in.

Philippines Nurses are trained to work in conditions they drive away US nurses in USA.

I take offense to this as a nursing educator, you make no sense. Unfortunately to be a good nurse you have to advocate for your patient, this involves being confrontational with doctors and administration. When you don't speak up it is your patient who suffers and potentially die. I can tell you numerous times where I am to intervene when a co worker didn't want to be confrontational and if I didn't step in the patient would have died.

Redranger could you post your nursing qualifications to all of us. It seems like you have many opinions but not much fact to back up your claims.

More importantly how can you evaluate nursing education ? Are you a RN ? Or are you an educator? Or have you been a long term patient in both the American system and the Philippine system ?

It seems to me from my trained observation you only know one nurse ( your wife of a few months). I have been married for over 30 years, my husband met me in my Junior year of nursing school and I don't think he would feel qualified speaking about nursing education in the US or any other country. It seems like he has had plenty of exposure to nurses, phone calls from work, social occasions, talking to students who call my house not to mention talking care of elderly sick parents. Yet he does not voice any opinions on nursing or nursing education since he does not feel qualified.

And he certainly would not lecture experienced nurses on nursing practice or nursing education. I guess he respects nurses and the nursing profession.

You raise a very good point, Alexk49. I have wondered the same thing, as I am sure many others have. Redranger speaks vehemently, always "informing" the rest of us of the great educational system in the Philippines, and how the US could learn from it. :yawn:

I have to ask myself: "Fact or flatus?"

I admire your husband for realizing that he doesn't know a heck of a lot about nursing education since he is not a nurse or nurse educator. I'm guessing he doesn't sit at home in front of his computer posting "flatus" in forums that don't pertain to him, either. :typing

I'm just not sure why redranger is permitted to continue to post hundreds and hundreds of comments here. The forum is called "allnurses" not "allnursesandtheirhusbandswholiketotalkaboutthingstheyknownothingabout." :chuckle

He is not a nurse. :no:

Not a nursing student. :nono:

Not a nurse educator. :bugeyes:

Not a nurse's aide. :uhoh3:

So, I just find it odd--and rather unsettling--that he posts so much. And I am sure I am not the only one who feels this way. Thanks for bringing this up, alexk49.

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