Incorrect way to work in the US

[seamusglas]

please read this closely:

1. the green card will not keep you from getting deported if you break the law in the us, something as simple as a dui can get you deported.

2. a visa out of status for any reason can get you deported. you get stopped for a traffic ticket, and out of status, do not pass go, and you will go to immigration detention.

3. a ssn# that is not a legal number will also get you deported. they are verifying them when you apply for a license.

4. does not matter if you have family, own a home, and a car, and even a business, if you get deported, you will be out of the country shortly, immigration does not care.

right now, ins is in a surge mode to pick up anyone that they find illegal in the us, for what ever reason..........please do not let this happen to you.

in california, they actually have immigration stops set up, and they are picking up people in large numbers. does not matter which country that you are from, how long that you have been in the us, etc. if you do not have a legal document permitting you to be in the us, you will be gone.

please be very careful. and all of the above also goes to nurses that have overstayed visas, immigration does not care. and if you get deported, it will be ten years before you will be able to return.

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after consulting with multiple immigration attorneys, it is not expected that any special visas for nurses will be available until the congress and the house of representatives create new visas, and not until later in the year. there will not be any schedule a visas appearing in the januray bulletin of the uscis until they become available. right now, there is no preference....strictly on where you were born.. if your country does not use up its allotment, then you will be able to get a visa earlier, otherwise all will be waiting. no special cicumstances apply here.

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without having us citizenship, you do not have the same rights as far as immigration. scary, but it is true.

actually, if i may say so, it is not that easy to deport anyone as you seem to suggest; for a start it takes the ins way more than a year to get around to deporting most and even then if you have a immigration attorney on to it , they can stall this process much longer depending on your illegal status suzanne.

and who goes to a detention center,often depends on your ethnicity and affluence.

believe me , i know people who were out of status,owned up and paid for a good immigration attorney and never saw any detention center.

e.g lobby the local politician,find loopholes in the system. techniques often exploited by attorneys, but will be costly and there are no garantees either etc

some have failed having done this.

i know people who have lived there a very long time illegally,and i even know a miliionare who is as illegal as the day he arrived there, poor.

for instance, a person who enters the us legally is in treated differentlty to a mexican who jumps the wall and enters the us illegally,and that is just one example,there are many more.

he will be deported forthwith,but not the other one,especially if he/she is anglo, prosperous and can afford a good attorney.

ask the many pub owners in new york, you would be surprised how many had gone that route and succeeded..

now whilst i don't wish to condone illegal acts nor contradict your sound advice, i do know people who live quite well in the usa illegally, with house and families, bank accounts,businesses employing more than ten americans,and have been stopped by the police,who have never asked them for any immigration documents.

if i may say so,unless the law changed recently in certain states, police who stop you for whatever are not in the slightest bit interested in your egal status, they are only interested in your license and other relevant automobile information, and why should they, they are not the ins.they have enough on their hands.

unless hey have changed their policy on repremanding traffic offenders,the courts who adjudicate such matters are not even interested in one's legal status.

but like i said, you have my sincere apologies if this has all come about in the last year.

but yes you are right in most of your advice , concerning green card holders will be deported if they act in contradiction to the law.

but even then, it would be diffilcult to deport someone for say defending oneself in a pub brawl, or assaulting an american who gets in your face and reminds how often his country has bailed us out in europe.

but if you give them lip,and talk like a embilcile,and display a self destruct attitude towards them, guess what!!

you will have a hard time staying there in the usa.

so whilst you are correct in that it is better to be legally living there,for piece of mind, deporting someone does depend a lot more on your socio ecomomic group,ethicity,type of illegal status, who you know,and that you are prepared to buy a good immigration attorney,and the last one will make or break you.

i am afraid to say i know people who have gone this route; america is still all about money.

do we need reminding of that one.

[suzanne4, RN]

Tell that to the posters that we have coming thru here every so often that have actually been deported from the US and they went to school here. You can also tell that to the poster that was on here recently and was picked up and sent to immigration detention for two months and then deported for a period of ten years. And all of this was very recently, but then again you have completely correct information about everything. And these are four year BSN graduates of programs here that have been deported. So what you are stating just does not hold any water. And since you have been wrong on everything else about immigration and working here, suggest that you get your facts correct on this as well.

It is much easier than you know about. But again, you are not taking the time to do any actual reading about what is going on, only relying on what someone has told you but it is most certainly not correct.

[suzanne4, RN]

Would you tell someone to find a loophole to go to your country and work illegally? I think not, so why in the world would you think that it was just fine to do it for the US?

This is actually shameful in my opinion.

There are actually quite a few that get deported from your country as well each and every week, just because you do not know about it, it still happens.

[seamusglas]

Would you tell someone to find a loophole to go to your country and work illegally? I think not, so why in the world would you think that it was just fine to do it for the US?

This is actually shameful in my opinion.

There are actually quite a few that get deported from your country as well each and every week, just because you do not know about it, it still happens.

Well firstly, I'd like to make it quite clear , I am not condoning that sort of activity, I'd like to also mentioned that it was sound advice to instill in any healthcare professional to obtain the proper creditials if he /she wished to acquire employment in the usa.

The healthcare industry is probabaly a lot more thorough in its vetting process than most other types of industry.

And one can assume , many healthcare professionals are frequently discovered working on after their visas have expired,and are deported.

Secondly, if I may say so, the uk was not the subject of discussion,and yes you are probably correct, there are many whom get deported from there; but who said there was'nt.

What I was merely saying was that your take on deportaion of certain illegal immigrants was not entirely accurate,and I'm sorry to say it was'nt.

There are many who have been awaiting deportation over a number of years,and many who will never get deported depending on how masterful their attorneys are in the scheme of things.

Wherther it attacks your over developed senstivities or not , the fact remains , the USA has hundreds of thousands of illegal professional working there[not necessarily in the Healthcare industry], leading quite ordinary lives with all the privileges of an ordinary citizen.

Just like in most advanced european countires as well,including the UK.

Ask your attorney friends.

It may well be that there will be a type of, ''metaphorically speaking ''A NIGHT OF THE LONG KNIVES'' scenario ,and for those who are not acquainted with this analogy, a wholesale rounding up of all illegals throughout the land over a period of 24 hrs, which would be very unlikely.

If I can also point out, you are also inaccurate in saying that all employers are only allow to accept citizens; this is simply untrue, there are many professional healthcare workers[and other professionals] who are not citizens, but are in possesion of current annual or long term legal work permits.

And while we are on the subject of what is legal and is'nt,don't you think you are being a trifle naive to believe that all nurses working in the US are completly legal.

I would be willing to wager on that one.

But again, let's not take me out of context, the consequences of working illegally in the USA will inevitabily be deportation.

Unless you can afford a good attorney,perhaps.

So I'm not supporting this activity,just saying, that to say there are none,is just plain nonsense.

And one is not suggesting to go all such trouble to find loopholes either.

And that's the reality of living in america,like I said before, its all about doe.

Please don't think I enjoy being cynical,cause I don't.

Many thanks for your reponse,I hope you'll find that more to the realities rather than what you wanna believe.

By the by, let's consider this, do you think its going to get rougher for people who choose to work on in the healthcare industry illegally with the lightening up overtones beaming from your new President.

It will be interesting to see how he handles the mexican issue.

And what was that about favouritsim,we'll see.

[Silverdragon102, BSN]

And while we are on the subject of what is legal and is'nt,don't you think you are being a trifle naive to believe that all nurses working in the US are completly legal.

I would be willing to wager on that one.

But again, let's not take me out of context, the consequences of working illegally in the USA will inevitabily be deportation.

Unless you can afford a good attorney,perhaps.

We are already seeing changes with some board of nursings that will not issue a license unless the nurse can prove their are in the US with a legal working visa. Arizona changed recently and when my license was up for renewal they wanted proof that I had citizenship or legal work documentation. I expect to see a lot more follow suite. We already have a few states that will not issue any license without a SSN and any nurses found working illegal are picked up straight away and face anything from 3-10 year ban. We have had a few members post that they have been deported and they had lived in the US for several years so it does happen.

Who knows what is going to happen when the new president goes into office but I do know there are many that do not want to see a amnesty for the ones that are in the US illegally

I am still wondering what nursing experience you have and do find it strange that you seem to be avoiding answering ?

[seamusglas]

I am what you would consider in the usa an Lpn/Lvn,or auxillary nurse in the Uk.

I have been working till late in the HIv/AIDS ward.

But will be embarking on a full-time course shortly to get up to fully fledge nurse.

The question I have Suzanne for you is this, do you really think that all those in possession of a Legal SSN are working legally in the hospitals of the USA.

I think not,indeed I'll wager there are thousands of nurses who have a legal ssn/cards and also have expired work permits,so is your point sufficiently considered when you asserted that all depended on a legal ssn number.

Unless hospitals are now checking for current status from their employees.

Perhaps you meant to say it depended in on Legal ssn and current work permits in order to obtain licenseur.

I have to have that one clarified.

Please do clear up that one , cause it has bugged me for some considerble time.

Having a legal ssn or even a license dose'nt mean you are living and working in the usa does it.

Is it all worth the aggro, if you have a :bugeyes:green card seems like you'll have little chance to enjoy it.

[Silverdragon102, BSN]

I am what you would consider in the usa an Lpn/Lvn,or auxillary nurse in the Uk.

I have been working till late in the HIv/AIDS ward.

But will be embarking on a full-time course shortly to get up to fully fledge nurse.

The question I have Suzanne for you is this, do you really think that all those in possession of a Legal SSN are working legally in the hospitals of the USA.

I think not,indeed I'll wager there are thousands of nurses who have a legal ssn/cards and also have expired work permits,so is your point sufficiently considered when you asserted that all depended on a legal ssn number.

Unless hospitals are now checking for current status from their employees.

Perhaps you meant to say it depended in on Legal ssn and current work permits in order to obtain licenseur.

I have to have that one clarified.

Please do clear up that one , cause it has bugged me for some considerble time.

Having a legal ssn or even a license dose'nt mean you are living and working in the usa does it.

Is it all worth the aggro, if you have a :bugeyes:green card seems like you'll have little chance to enjoy it.

I am not Suzanne and being born and trained in the UK I can tell you a Aux nurse is not the same as a LPN/LVN. They are on par with Enrolled nurses (I was one who converted to RN)

We are seeing more and more hospitals asking for proof of identity when employing nurses and I have even seen posts where US nurses have had to prove who they are. This also includes nursing boards on asking to see proof that they are in the US legally ie citizenship or legal work permit before they will issue a license. At no time have I seen Suzanne post that you have to be a citizen to work she usually states a legal work visa. Yes there are ways that you can illegally get a SSN but they are usually caught when the SSN is run properly by an employer etc and this is what appears to have happened with this member https://allnurses.com/forums/f75/i-am-us-bsn-graduate-but-i-have-been-deported-due-my-family-s-immigration-case-349007.html

[Ginger's Mom, MSN, RN]

I know there is a large underground economy in the USA, but nurses will find it nearly impossible to find a position where an employer has to verify employment. Now the US is checking for phoney Social Security numbers

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=e94888e60a405110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCRD&vgnextchannel=e94888e60a405110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCRD

Or search everify. Also when you renew you license, they ask for your social security number, and if you don't provide it your license is not renewed. Of course there are some nurses working under the table, but every hour they work they can be reported to the board of nursing or worse to the IRS ( the tax agency). The IRS has almost unlimited power and can take every penny you have in the bank without any legal recourse.

[suzanne4, RN]

I am making this statement and then I am done with any more responses to you.

You came here stating that you spoke to your attorney and that they stated that you would meet the requirements for the H1-C visa, that is not even available in Arizona as a start. You then brought up the fact that you were a specialist so that you would not have any problems with anything, but then did not know that the NCLEX exam is our licensing exam and nothing more than that and did not make one a Master. That requires usually a two year program after one has an actual BSN, which is a four year degree and most of the program in the UK are three year programs as well.

Now, you are stating that you are an auxillary nurse, that is not the same as the LPN here, as well as the fact that even the LPN does not meet requirements for a legal visa of any type for the US. The UK also has not had enrolled nurses there which would be the equivalent of the LPN/LVN in years.

Most of the programs in the UK do not meet the requirements for licensure in the US and additional coursework is also required. You also cannot even apply for licensure here in the US until you have met the requirements for licensure.

I have never once stated in any post of mine that one has to be a US citizen to work here, not in one place; but they do need to hold a legal visa that will permit them to work here. Having a license does not give one the privilege to work here if their visa does not permit it. The majority of states here are no longer issuing a license without one possessing a visa that will permit one to legally work in the US. And AZ now has some of the strictest rulings as well concerning licensure.

It would have been very nice if you would have been honest with everyone here from the beginning instead of dancing around things and wasting time. You are no more ready to write a licensing exam or be concerned with immigration issues that do not even apply to you if you have not even started in a program, let alone complete it.

But you have managed to take time when I could be helping others that truly need the help, so hope that you can live with that. You have come here for nothing more than starting arguments, not to learn a thing, since you know everything already. But you forget the fact, that the US is deporting and it does take a year to get deported here, just being picked up by ICE gets things started and then one spends time in immigration detention which is essentially a prison cell and one has to pay for everything since the US government is not required to pay a cent of the upkeep since you are not legally here.

Just a thought for you to ponder over. And yes, there have been quite a few nurses that have finished four year programs here that found themselves deported when they finished. So please, do not waste anyone's time here on things that you know nothing of.

[letina]

He also stated in one of his posts he is a recruiter who brings European nurses to the US. The plot thickens :uhoh21:

[Nurse!Nurse!Hello?]

By the by, let's consider this, do you think its going to get rougher for people who choose to work on in the healthcare industry illegally with the lightening up overtones beaming from your new President.

I sincerely doubt that these "lightening up overtones" of which you speak are going to make it any easier for illegal aliens to continue working in the US healthcare system. Employers are required by law to confirm that employees are legally permitted to work in the USA, and face a hefty fine if they do not follow the guidelines. Ask any US nurse whether they have had to provide proof of citizenship/valid green card when applying for a job, and they will tell you they have.

Most Americans are concerned about the increasing number of illegal aliens creeping across our borders, and our new president is aware of this. Immigration reform is certainly on his agenda, but there are far more pressing issues for him to deal with--the rising unemployment rate among US citizens, for one!

People need to look at the big picture. Putting Americans back to work is the number one priority. There's not going to be a big visa bonanza any time soon!

[seamusglas]

So may I point out ,that you said you did'nt mention that a ssn card was what employers were demanding before a license would be granted, well go to thread no 93 and have another read, and yes you did say that one needs a visa and legal documentation, I never said you did'nt,but you somehow went onto suggest that only a ssn was needed to get you work in the usa.

A contradiction you'll notice, and also who mentioned anything about a illegal ssn cards, there are many professionals who acquired a ligitimate ssn card through whatever means[marriage,sponorship,lottery.etc]and who have found themselves now illegally residing and working in the usa because of a number of reasons,eg work prmits expired, divorce etc.Does that mean their ssn cards are automatically illegal, I think not since that ssn is assigned to their name when it is ran by an employer.

If you may, clarify that one with your attorney.

So what I am trying to point out that if it was on a legal ssn card to get you a license then that alone might be enough to get you a license.

Otherwise as it now appears in arizona one would need a visa as proof of legal status also.

I do humbly concede on the LPN/LVN matching what I thought was the same as an auxillary,and like I also said,where changes have been introduced,do excuse my dated knowledge on the subject; do you need to get so touchy over it; I did say that I am at the bottom of the totem pole in the nursing game,otherwise what do you expect a auxillary nurse would know on this specialized subject.

So you do acknowkedge that deportation is not as easy as you first implied,and you acknowledged that it does take up to a year,and then some.

I am sorry if I'm a pain in the orifice for you all out there, I'm just like you ,trying to understand this extreme complicated business of the american immigration system.

Boy is it complicated, no wonder workers there don't know where they are with all the diffilculties.

Once again I'm humbly grateful for your understanding,and assistance,