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Ok, Thanks for your response, perhaps I did'nt make my point clear enough for you; I already know that one has to be a citizen of either mexico or canada. I am also aware one must have their NCLEX and CGFNS,and satisfy all the other security and creditial palava. Although I learnt something about the cgfns and not all states requiring it. ''Are you saying that it is inaccurate, that unlike other foreign nurses, CANADIAN AND MEXICAN NURSES are privileged to complete their ''NCLEXS and CGFNS'' post recruitment by a US employer. It is presumed ''THE NAFTA AGREEMENT provides this CONDITION under A TN VISA,providing you attain the NCLEX licenseur during your post-recruitment by the employer''. Do you know if this is a fact. So let me make sure you understand my meaning from another perspective, just to be clearer. Unlike other countries,foreign nurses have to complete their NCLEXs and CGFNS before they take up employment with an employer in the USA,but Canadian and Mexican nurses are an exception with the TN work visa. I am not asking if they are exempted form attaining these prerequisites. Is this accurate?. I realize you must be tired answering all these questions, but I have friend from mexico who wishes to now her position on this issue. Ta !

Once again many thanks. Love our canadian cousins, we in the UK!! Yea who did,nt hesitate! when we needed you most.

On this topic, is it possible for a nurse to work in the US under a TN visa whilst continuing with the NCLEX and additional test/licenses. I have a mexican friend and she emails asking to find out if she can do her nclex while she is working here with a hospital. As we know that they only apply to canada and mexico, are canadian nurses subject to the CFGNS. If not, then he can revoke them if he wishs, as I cannot see what worth they have anyway. Unless someone can illustrate otherwise. Besides, won't he have to come up with an alternative. Is not the nation acutely short of nurses,to the benefit of foreign nurses.

Hi , many thanks for you insight from a canandian perspective, but allow me to shove you a little further to the edge, Did you as a candian come under a TN visa to work in the usa or as sponsorsee from your american spouse, and if so , could you throw some light on the claim, that one can under a TN visa come and work in the USA and complete your NCLEX whilst working as a nurse here in the usa, providing you pass the C.G.N.S.Additionally , does one have to also sit the CGFNS in canada before you arrive in the US or can one complete that as well in the USA because I believe the NAFTA agreement allows it.And are canadians also subject to a CGNS exam[i hope that I have got that correct]even though their first language is official kings english. I can understand the requirement for mexico, are not all canadians subject to official english as the national language. many thanks for your trouble, yours kindly

I do believe you can under the Nafta agreement with the US, enter into the workplace and then apply for your Nclex, However, I am myself open to enlightenment on this issue. If, should you be asking, can one apply for a work visa , then It is my belief, you can do that under what they call a TN visa, which the usa enables nurses from mexico and canada to do. But I may be inaccurate on that one writer.

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Good place to work, and on top it; they have just completed a chain of the most modern state of the art hospitals right along the I-60 corrodor all the way up to apache junction; I know cause I have a friend who lives in scottsdale who is recruiting nurses for the state; if you want his email address I can give you his company website:smokin::typing; but first I have to check to see if I can do this.

He already had a authorized work permit;and they just kept renewing it as part of their testing process. His poor wife had to renew all the financial nonsense responsibilites with it and she was made aware everytime of the consequences if he should be unemployed etc. Or any fee:confused::banghead:s she would be subject to,constantly, not just once. How many women have I spoken to who got their green cards within a year. So there is plan afoot. I

I do Aplogise he has been in the usa 11 yrs,and been waiting for his green card over 5 years. His marriage is now in jeopardy he tells me, as are many in his predicament,and already I have it on record that many americans spouses just give up going through with this constant testing,astronomocal costs, and mind games by the INS excercising their policy of testing these marirages for reasons associated with the idea all marriages to ameicans are suspect. I understand the grounds for their double checking, but as usual the american INS go to far on this in my view. Anyway that is another subject.

I have some experience of the I-485;Yes adjustment of status will afford you a annual [sometimes every two years] temporary work permit pending the adjustment of status and ultimately the green card;however it is depended on either an american citizen spousal dependence,company sponsorship,family sponsorship and things of that nature when you are in the country legally. Not outside the us legally ! And the forms cost a fortune,expect on average a cost of 180 dollars to process each form. And furthermore since 9'11 2001, a foreign women as opposed to a foreign man will under american spousal support acquire a green card much speedier . I have two german girlfriends who got their green cards in a matter of months of entering the country whilst a male friend from england[can you imagine] who had been married to a american citizen still had'nt recieved his after 11 years. And he is still waiting for his adjustment of status,Which is why many applicants give up on this route. Rumours that women were more unlikely to be a threat to sercurity abound but who knows with the extreme nature of the american INS system. This is utterly unlikely, but it makes one wonder. And I'm not suggesting that you seek out an american citizen. But women,believe me, have got their green cards much more hastily than the poor guys. So if you should happen to be in love with an american citizen and you are a women, then it is not always a man's world when seeking this route. Oh yes one last thing, you can't leave the country whilst waiting for adjustment of status,unless they, ''at their discretion'' allow you parole/reentry permit, to go and attend the family funeral even. And even then ,when returning you might find your i-485 has been rejected whilst out of the country , then you will be usually barred at the airport immi when you hand them your permit, even with a reentry permit or a parole pass. So this route has its limitations. In your case,I would imagine that you still have to obtain sponsorship from an employer; but since yo will have your newly acquired license, that should be made a lot easier for you. I hope this has been of some benefit to you.

So may I point out ,that you said you did'nt mention that a ssn card was what employers were demanding before a license would be granted, well go to thread no 93 and have another read, and yes you did say that one needs a visa and legal documentation, I never said you did'nt,but you somehow went onto suggest that only a ssn was needed to get you work in the usa. A contradiction you'll notice, and also who mentioned anything about a illegal ssn cards, there are many professionals who acquired a ligitimate ssn card through whatever means[marriage,sponorship,lottery.etc]and who have found themselves now illegally residing and working in the usa because of a number of reasons,eg work prmits expired, divorce etc.Does that mean their ssn cards are automatically illegal, I think not since that ssn is assigned to their name when it is ran by an employer. If you may, clarify that one with your attorney. So what I am trying to point out that if it was on a legal ssn card to get you a license then that alone might be enough to get you a license. Otherwise as it now appears in arizona one would need a visa as proof of legal status also. I do humbly concede on the LPN/LVN matching what I thought was the same as an auxillary,and like I also said,where changes have been introduced,do excuse my dated knowledge on the subject; do you need to get so touchy over it; I did say that I am at the bottom of the totem pole in the nursing game,otherwise what do you expect a auxillary nurse would know on this specialized subject. So you do acknowkedge that deportation is not as easy as you first implied,and you acknowledged that it does take up to a year,and then some. I am sorry if I'm a pain in the orifice for you all out there, I'm just like you ,trying to understand this extreme complicated business of the american immigration system. Boy is it complicated, no wonder workers there don't know where they are with all the diffilculties. Once again I'm humbly grateful for your understanding,and assistance,

I am what you would consider in the usa an Lpn/Lvn,or auxillary nurse in the Uk. I have been working till late in the HIv/AIDS ward. But will be embarking on a full-time course shortly to get up to fully fledge nurse. The question I have Suzanne for you is this, do you really think that all those in possession of a Legal SSN are working legally in the hospitals of the USA. I think not,indeed I'll wager there are thousands of nurses who have a legal ssn/cards and also have expired work permits,so is your point sufficiently considered when you asserted that all depended on a legal ssn number. Unless hospitals are now checking for current status from their employees. Perhaps you meant to say it depended in on Legal ssn and current work permits in order to obtain licenseur. I have to have that one clarified. Please do clear up that one , cause it has bugged me for some considerble time. Having a legal ssn or even a license dose'nt mean you are living and working in the usa does it. Is it all worth the aggro, if you have a :bugeyes:green card seems like you'll have little chance to enjoy it.

Well firstly, I'd like to make it quite clear , I am not condoning that sort of activity, I'd like to also mentioned that it was sound advice to instill in any healthcare professional to obtain the proper creditials if he /she wished to acquire employment in the usa. The healthcare industry is probabaly a lot more thorough in its vetting process than most other types of industry. And one can assume , many healthcare professionals are frequently discovered working on after their visas have expired,and are deported. Secondly, if I may say so, the uk was not the subject of discussion,and yes you are probably correct, there are many whom get deported from there; but who said there was'nt. What I was merely saying was that your take on deportaion of certain illegal immigrants was not entirely accurate,and I'm sorry to say it was'nt. There are many who have been awaiting deportation over a number of years,and many who will never get deported depending on how masterful their attorneys are in the scheme of things. Wherther it attacks your over developed senstivities or not , the fact remains , the USA has hundreds of thousands of illegal professional working there[not necessarily in the Healthcare industry], leading quite ordinary lives with all the privileges of an ordinary citizen. Just like in most advanced european countires as well,including the UK. Ask your attorney friends. It may well be that there will be a type of, ''metaphorically speaking ''A NIGHT OF THE LONG KNIVES'' scenario ,and for those who are not acquainted with this analogy, a wholesale rounding up of all illegals throughout the land over a period of 24 hrs, which would be very unlikely. If I can also point out, you are also inaccurate in saying that all employers are only allow to accept citizens; this is simply untrue, there are many professional healthcare workers[and other professionals] who are not citizens, but are in possesion of current annual or long term legal work permits. And while we are on the subject of what is legal and is'nt,don't you think you are being a trifle naive to believe that all nurses working in the US are completly legal. I would be willing to wager on that one. But again, let's not take me out of context, the consequences of working illegally in the USA will inevitabily be deportation. Unless you can afford a good attorney,perhaps. So I'm not supporting this activity,just saying, that to say there are none,is just plain nonsense. And one is not suggesting to go all such trouble to find loopholes either. And that's the reality of living in america,like I said before, its all about doe. Please don't think I enjoy being cynical,cause I don't. Many thanks for your reponse,I hope you'll find that more to the realities rather than what you wanna believe. By the by, let's consider this, do you think its going to get rougher for people who choose to work on in the healthcare industry illegally with the lightening up overtones beaming from your new President. It will be interesting to see how he handles the mexican issue. And what was that about favouritsim,we'll see.

actually, if i may say so, it is not that easy to deport anyone as you seem to suggest; for a start it takes the ins way more than a year to get around to deporting most and even then if you have a immigration attorney on to it , they can stall this process much longer depending on your illegal status suzanne. and who goes to a detention center,often depends on your ethnicity and affluence. believe me , i know people who were out of status,owned up and paid for a good immigration attorney and never saw any detention center. e.g lobby the local politician,find loopholes in the system. techniques often exploited by attorneys, but will be costly and there are no garantees either etc some have failed having done this. i know people who have lived there a very long time illegally,and i even know a miliionare who is as illegal as the day he arrived there, poor. for instance, a person who enters the us legally is in treated differentlty to a mexican who jumps the wall and enters the us illegally,and that is just one example,there are many more. he will be deported forthwith,but not the other one,especially if he/she is anglo, prosperous and can afford a good attorney. ask the many pub owners in new york, you would be surprised how many had gone that route and succeeded.. now whilst i don't wish to condone illegal acts nor contradict your sound advice, i do know people who live quite well in the usa illegally, with house and families, bank accounts,businesses employing more than ten americans,and have been stopped by the police,who have never asked them for any immigration documents. if i may say so,unless the law changed recently in certain states, police who stop you for whatever are not in the slightest bit interested in your egal status, they are only interested in your license and other relevant automobile information, and why should they, they are not the ins.they have enough on their hands. unless hey have changed their policy on repremanding traffic offenders,the courts who adjudicate such matters are not even interested in one's legal status. but like i said, you have my sincere apologies if this has all come about in the last year. but yes you are right in most of your advice , concerning green card holders will be deported if they act in contradiction to the law. but even then, it would be diffilcult to deport someone for say defending oneself in a pub brawl, or assaulting an american who gets in your face and reminds how often his country has bailed us out in europe. but if you give them lip,and talk like a embilcile,and display a self destruct attitude towards them, guess what!! you will have a hard time staying there in the usa. so whilst you are correct in that it is better to be legally living there,for piece of mind, deporting someone does depend a lot more on your socio ecomomic group,ethicity,type of illegal status, who you know,and that you are prepared to buy a good immigration attorney,and the last one will make or break you. i am afraid to say i know people who have gone this route; america is still all about money. do we need reminding of that one.

Would you please clarify what is a thread and what is a post, and where do you find retrogression. I thought a post was the same as an email.and perhaps a thread [similiar to as in writing a novel would constitute a thread. If I am mistaken I would be infinitely grateful if you could at last clear up this one ambiguios little puzzle. So if I move to the international forum,why would you want me to retitle quote,and how do I do this, many thanks for your assitance Suzanne.:uhoh3::bowingpur