Im sorry, but light stomachs please do not read!

DutchgirlRN, ASN, RN · Mar 2, 2006

I want to take a complete professional approach in the AM on this and I will not stand for this other child just getting a slap on the wrist. I believe that what he has done is completely unacceptable. Thanks in advance for your advice.:stone

I don't think the urine has enough concentration of the HIV virus to be able to transmit it via drinking a small amount of urine. Hepatitis I believe can be transmitted through urine. We always had to protect ourselves from the NB urine for this reason. I think it's unlikely that the other boy has it but who knows?

I would absolutely insist that the other boy be tested for these diseases at the parents expense. With that said.....HOW GROSS & DISGUSTING THIS OTHER BOY MUST BE !! ecchh ! I'm sure you'll have a long night rehearsing over and over in your mind what you'll say.

You don't have to be professional about it, you are a mom foremost, just be a Mom. Try to remain calm but very firm about the seriousness of this event and what you want done about it and I don't think it would hurt one bit to call the other boys parents. If they start getting huffy with you, quickly and respectfully end the conversation.

I would think you could report this to the police as well. It's endangerment the same as if an infected person were to bite another person. This other boy needs to be corrected right away. I'm sorry you are going through this, I can only imagine how horrified I'd be. Let us know what happens.

LoriAlabamaRN · Mar 2, 2006

I would DEFINATELY press charges on this boy- that is against the law, not to mention a sign of a sick, twisted individual! Call the police!!!

noc_owl · Mar 2, 2006

How awful! :madface: I would be furious as well.

I agree with Dutchgirlrn about making a police report and also having the other boy tested. I know the Hepatitis virus can live longer outside the host than the HIV virus, but as far as how long, I don't know.

How do you know who did it? Do you have any witnesses, or did he admit it? You may have to have reasonable proof to present to the school and police.

Good luck on dealing with this. I know I would have a very hard time keeping my cool. Please update here on what action gets taken, I'm very interested to see how the school handles this.

IWANT2BE · Mar 2, 2006

OHH MAN AS A PARENT OF TWO I HAVE TO SAY, I ADMIRE YOUR SELF-CONTROL! THAT'S WHAT YOU AND I ASSUME YOUR SON HAVE, THAT THE CHILD WHO URINATED IS APPARENTLY LACKING IN.

PERHAPS YOU COULD REQUEST A PARENTS & STUDENT TYPE CONFERENCE OVERSCENE BY SOME SCHOOL OFFICIAL(S).

NOT NECESSARILY TO STONE THE CULPRIT, RATHER TO PROVIDE HIM WITH A REAL UNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT HE HAS DONE IS WRONG. HELP HIM PUT A FACE ON WHAT TRANSPIRED AND ALLOW HIM TO SEE HOW HIS ACTIONS IN LIFE CAN IMPACT OTHERS. WHO KNOWS WHAT KIND OF HOME LIFE THIS CHILD HAS. GIVE HIM AN EXAMPLE OF REAL LOVE AND CONCERN, NOT JUST FOR YOUR SON BUT FOR HIM. OFFER HIM A GLIMPSE OF LOVE TO

DEFEAT HIS HATRED.

WATER PUTS OUT FIRE

LIGHT DESTROYS DARK

SOUND ELIMINATES SILENCE

LOVE REMOVES HATE

GOOD LUCK GOD WILL ALWAYS LEAD IF YOU ONLY LISTEN

blue heron · Mar 2, 2006

onconnurseRT, how awful for you all. As to the question of how long certain viruses can live outside the body, we were recently told in class that Hep C can live on inanimate objects for 14 days. I'm not sure about Hep A or B. HIV is only seconds outside a host. As for other diseases, I would wonder about the typical enterics? samonella, E-coli, etc. They're transmitted by the fecal-oral route, so they may or may not apply here.

all I can say is this other kid is one disturbed individual, and although he may well be from an unfourtunate background, he is still responsible for his own actions, and needs to learn this real quick.

**canoehead, BSN, RN** · Mar 2, 2006

Stomach acid will kill almost anything, and as we know urine is normally sterile. Don't worry about disease, but make a HUGE deal of it at the school, and insist on every test you can think of at the boy's expense.

GooeyRN, ADN, BSN, CNA, LPN, RN · Mar 2, 2006

Thats sick! Why would this boy do such a twisted thing? There are other harmless pranks that kids can do besides this... I would demand all kinds of testing at the expense of the boy! I hope your kid is ok.

mtnmom · Mar 2, 2006

I can't add much in advice to what others have posted here but it sounds like this kid is one sick individual - who knows what he might try for his next amusement?

Yes, insist upon testing - any and all you can get!

I would not depend on the school to adequately punish the child (that is if it is a public school)...I agree that law enforcement should be involved and charges should be pressed (assault perhaps?), although there might only be a misdemeanor charge available.

Lastly, I would consider civil action - getting an attorney to file suit against the kid and his family for pain & suffering, etc, and all the psychological trauma you and your child have been subjected to. I know that our society is too litigious, but this type of cruelty at the expense of others deserves recompense.

Please keep us posted. I am so sorry that you are having to go through this.

joshuaclay · Mar 2, 2006

this doesn't seem like one of those "forgive and forget" moments. throw the book at this kid and his parents (and the school if possible).

meownsmile, BSN, RN · Mar 2, 2006

Sorry this happened to your son. I cant give you any feedback regarding the disease problem. I probly would have been pounding the principles desk last night. Taken him to outpatient for tests and presented the bill to the school today. If you dont get any satisfaction from the principle keep going up, superintendent, school board members. This kid needs to answer to someone.

I have 2 kids in high school and im sorry I feel most teeangers today are a sorry set of individuals. No manners, no respect, no regard for others life, limb, or property. I could go on and on because as far as im concerned most of them need a huge reality check and probly the biggest thumping of their lives (although that could be part of the problem, they've never had any limits or boundaries set for them).

I'm afraid their behavior is all part of this ME FIRST world we (i say we loosely, i know not ALL kids behave like this) as parents have set up for them.

Reading back, i think that the school shouldnt be responsible for the bill too. If it happened during school hours or during a school sponsored activity they are responsible to keep your son safe and in an enviornment that doesnt put his health at risk. I agree the boy and his parents need to be responsible for some of the bill too, but dont let the school out of this either.

flashpoint · Mar 2, 2006

OHH MAN AS A PARENT OF TWO I HAVE TO SAY, I ADMIRE YOUR SELF-CONTROL! THAT'S WHAT YOU AND I ASSUME YOUR SON HAVE, THAT THE CHILD WHO URINATED IS APPARENTLY LACKING IN.
PERHAPS YOU COULD REQUEST A PARENTS & STUDENT TYPE CONFERENCE OVERSCENE BY SOME SCHOOL OFFICIAL(S).
NOT NECESSARILY TO STONE THE CULPRIT, RATHER TO PROVIDE HIM WITH A REAL UNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT HE HAS DONE IS WRONG. HELP HIM PUT A FACE ON WHAT TRANSPIRED AND ALLOW HIM TO SEE HOW HIS ACTIONS IN LIFE CAN IMPACT OTHERS. WHO KNOWS WHAT KIND OF HOME LIFE THIS CHILD HAS. GIVE HIM AN EXAMPLE OF REAL LOVE AND CONCERN, NOT JUST FOR YOUR SON BUT FOR HIM. OFFER HIM A GLIMPSE OF LOVE TO
DEFEAT HIS HATRED.
WATER PUTS OUT FIRE
LIGHT DESTROYS DARK
SOUND ELIMINATES SILENCE
LOVE REMOVES HATE
GOOD LUCK GOD WILL ALWAYS LEAD IF YOU ONLY LISTEN

Please don't post in all caps...it is considered yelling. :)

I honestly don't think it is the OPs job to show "urine boy" an example of love and concern...he peed in her son's drink bottle! Whether "urine boy" has a rough life or whatever, does not give him the right to do something like this to someone else...it makes me feel sorry for him, but it sure doesn't make me want to take him under my wing and train him up right...

Personally, I would want to press charges...but, I would also have concerns about how pressing charges will affect your son. Even though it is not the right thing to do, sometimes it is best to just let things go...prevents "urine boy" and his friends from seeking revenge.