I'm an LPN and I understand.

Not being phased out. But being forced back to our traditional role as Licensed Practical Nurse. This article addresses the LPNs role being phased out of acute care and what future LPNs should know about the practical nursing profession. Nurses LPN/LVN Article

I'm a new Nurse. I spend a lot of my time on a nursing home corridor behind a med cart, or more like a rolling Walgreens kiosk. I stay at work 1, 2 sometimes maybe 3 hours after shift change behind a nurses station. After 4pm , I function alone. I'm the one in charge. I'm the one who assesses residents, makes judgements, contacts physicians, contacts family members, sends residents to the hospital, it's all me. It's a big responsibility. It's a big job. I'm a NURSE. I'm the NURSE. But I am not an RN. I'm an LPN.

There's been much debate on not only this website, but around the country; about RNs and LPNs and what's the difference. It seems like around every corner you hear, don't become an LPN, or LPNs can't work in acute care. In my area LPNs can work in acute care and are growing strong in med-surg and ortho/rehab units in acute care. But that's not to be naive to the fact that in many parts of the country this is not the case. But I understand. I understand why LPNs have been phased out of ERs, OBs , ICUs, med surg in some areas, and it really does not come as a shock to me.

The current trend for LPNs is not new. LPNs came about ages ago to assist the RN by tending to stable patients with predictable outcomes. But with today's healthcare costs, and all other modern day alternatives to costly acute care like Rehab, LTAC, LTC/SNFs, Home Health, those patients with predictable outcomes just don't camp out on med surg like they used too.

Hospitals today house highly acute patients. And our skill sets as LPNs just aren't effective in this kind of environment. It does not make us any less of a Nurse, it's just not traditionally our role. Our role has moved with the times outside of hospitals. But that does not mean our role is gone. There's a Home Health Agency, Nursing Home, LTACH, Rehab Hospital hiring LPNs in bulk around every street corner.

So my question to all LPNs? Why would you work in a CNA capacity just to get hospital experience? All prospective LPN students need to understand that an LPN is not an RN. Just like a Podiatrist is not an MD. All are doctors. But different types. RNs and LPNs are both NURSES but different types. RNs are acute care nurses, and nurse managers, made for coding patients, and IV drips, and newborns in distress. As LPNs we are there for Accu Checks, PEG Tubes, Walkers, foleys. We LPNs are Nurses whose expertise is management of long term chronic illnesses. But we are Nurses.

Don't waste your time going through podiatry school if you want to be an MD. You'll be disappointed. Same thing if your dream is to be an RN on a busy NICU but you're sitting at clinicals at your local trade school in an LTC facility. We need to embrace the type of Nurse we are and our role as LPNs. Why go to school to be an LPN to work as a Tech on med surg, when you can use your Nurse smarts and leadership abilities in long term care.

I think the problem with LPN insecurities today is we LPNs try to be something we were traditionally not meant to be. It's not the magnet status talk or the BSN requirements. With shortages of Nurses in LTCs and tough budget cuts to federal programs paying a BSN RN to pass meds in a busy nursing home for $15-17$ dollars an hour is scheduled for the 31st of Never.

So let us embrace the LPN's role in nursing as the "chronic illness stable condition nurses". I'm proud to be a long term care nurse. I don't want to deal with critical drips , titrations, deteriorating newborns and such. I want to provide the best nursing care possible to people in need of long term management for chronic illnesses. If these jobs are outside the hospital, we have to follow them. We have to be proud of the Nurse we chose to be.

Again don't become a family medicine specialist if you want to be a neurosurgeon. Both are physicians both have similar knowledge. But the skills and individual knowledge they have match 2 different types of client populations. It's the same with LPNs and RNs. I know that in a perfect little world the LPN is an assistant to the RN and the RN delegates and supervises every little move and task that an LPN makes. Let's get real now. In small rural nursing homes where the DOC knows the Nurses on a first name basis, the LPN has more autonomy than MSN-RN in a large hospital.

Not knocking anybody's role. RNs have more acuity skills according to the BON, they have a better understanding of the big picture and i understand. But I have a role as a Nurse. I'm a long term care nurse. I manage chronic illnesses. It's what I signed up for. I would suggest anyone who wants to fly on helicopters, and start atropine drips in the ER, or care for an infant in the NICU, do yourself a favor and strive to be an RN. Because I do not have these hopes.

The elderly are a blessing and I'm doing what I love. I'm a NURSE. A long term care LPN and proud of it. It's what I do. You stick an ER RN in my job and it probably won't go well. You stick me in the ER, I know it wont go well! So please prospective LPNs. Consider our tradition. Accept it, or strive for your RN, beause we're not the same. And as an LPN I understand.

Specializes in Hospital, Foot Nurse, NRSNG Educator.

Here HERE !!! I am proud to be an LPN, and and RPN in Canada, but as we are heading back to our old stomping grounds in Fl area, know that the "Magnet status" is most common, and expect to be greatly effected by it. I know the jobs I did hold in Fl years ago, (and although told I am "Perfect rehireability status" "hurry back", cant get those same jobs now !) and worked in PCU, Burn Unit, Med Surg, etc.... Floated to every floor they needed me, in a hosp system of 5 facilities (then)... was thrown a new situations, and staff daily, (often greeted with an "OH.... they only sent an LPN!!! :( hmph, and yet proved myself each and every time..... LOVING every minute of my learning experiences.... (and usually getting an "atta boy", thank you , or you'll come back wont you?") but..... I was always told to keep going, my goal was always to go further, and now as an empty nester.... plan on finding my niche no matter what my age... and may take some time... we will see,

I will either find my comfort as a seasoned LPN or go further...

age does not frighten me.

Sitting still does !

You are certainly a more educated nurse :)

So the only criteria for a good nurse is years of experience, and level of education has zero impact?

Specializes in Public Health.

That's not at all what I said. If you actually read all of my posts you'd see I'm quite pro-education.

I'm saying education does not automatically make you BETTER than someone else. I wasn't, at any point, saying that being a good nurse doesn't require education. I was talking about the "better than you" attitude.

If you want to see who a better nurse is, take two nurses with similar education and experience, and do a study evaluating mortality rates and patient satisfaction.

Anyways, now that this has turned into every other LPN vs RN post, I shall remove myself.

"I'm not interested in competing with anyone. I hope we all make it" - someone somewhere very wise

I never meant to imply someone would automatically be better with a higher education. I made a strong effort to say that it would help set up the better nurse in the long run. A nurse with a BSN will outperform an ADN/Diploma nurse in the long run because of the more solid educational background.

Specializes in Adult ICU/PICU/NICU.
Ok, so yes a bsn or msn will set you up to be a better nurse. Sorry. Your argument is flawed because of your archaic view on what nursing is.

"(BSN degree) In areas that are not essential to patient outcome because they are not skill related." This is like saying physicians don't need an phd or MD because they aren't just learning clinical skills and all they do is write papers, so really they should only need a masters degree. Medicine and nursing is not just about clinical skills. The world is pushing faster than that which requires higher levels of science education.

With all due respect, do you honestly believe that an LPNs, ADNs, and diploma educated RNs only think about skills? Would I have lasted in critical care if all I did was skills all day long and never took one look at my patients, never communicated with the docs with a "I think you need to come and write an order for this that or the other" , never looked up new surgeries, ask physiological questions and was constantly learning on my own? Would any nurse? Of course not! We've known nursing was changing always. Good ole Flo knew that, who was my clinical instructor for med/surg don't you know.

"The world is pushing faster than that which requires higher levels of science education."

I'm not quite sure what this means. But I can tell you that you don't know what level of science anyone has. When I returned to school for my BSN I took quite a bit of science and math. More than I needed actually. I went onto take the premedical level courses that nurses do not take...two semesters of general chemistry, two of organic, one of biochemistry, two calculus and two calculus based physics. You see, I had a silly idea that perhaps I could be a CRNA one day. I got Bs, not bad for an old lady. Then my husband got sick, and I dropped out of school to take care of him. When my husband died, I dropped out of the program and went semi retirement.

I can still calculate buffers using the Henderson Hasselbach equation or an ICE chart by the way (and my grandson is a PhD chemist, and we talk chemistry over dinner...and working as a school nurse in the high schools you get to talk to teachers). I don't know too many RNs who can do that.

Did the science change how I did nursing? No. That was from experience and informal education .

You are clearly proud of your formal education. You should be. Congratulations. However, nursing is so much more than that. Its natural talent, its work ethnic, its a love of learning, its asking questions, lots of reading on your own, attending conferences, etc. Critical reasoning is not something that is so much taught than one develops or simply has. Much of natural talent is in born. Like I said, I've know some very poor nurses who had quite a high level of formal education...and some very good ones. I've know some very good LPNs and some very bad ones. Most of the diploma RNs I knew were good....that has to do with the quality of students in these programs when women didn't have the career options that they do not....and I'm too tired to discuss that here and now.

Formal education is very important. Anyone should get that BSN fresh out of high school if possible. At the same time, its my experience that it does not make a better nurse. Period.

Best to you,

Mrs H.

Specializes in Hospital, Foot Nurse, NRSNG Educator.

Yikes... !!!! no one needs to be upset or removing themselves... we are mentors,

I think that these posts are all really saying the same thing... ! My Here HERE ? was like Yipee ! I agree ! etc... I think we are nurses in the heart first.... and then the skills and abilities are different forms of learning that come from the experiences and the education combined...

I teach Nursing and PSW's in our local college... I see it all the time.... we are often just different colors of thread, that come from the same piece of fabric... !

Ok, so yes a bsn or msn will set you up to be a better nurse. Sorry. Your argument is flawed because of your archaic view on what nursing is.

"(BSN degree) In areas that are not essential to patient outcome because they are not skill related." This is like saying physicians don't need an phd or MD because they aren't just learning clinical skills and all they do is write papers, so really they should only need a masters degree. Medicine and nursing is not just about clinical skills. The world is pushing faster than that which requires higher levels of science education.

Your profile doesn't list your experience so I don't know where your viewpoint is coming from. I'm currently back in school...hard for my view on nursing to be archaic. Just because I've been in the field a while doesn't make me a dinosaur. And those upper level degree classes...they're about management, research, etc., not skill. I've trained BSNs to do their Jonathan the hospital I worked at because I was more receptive to new nurses than some of the RNs on my unit. Those who scoffed at the idea of being paired with an LPN were quickly corrected by my clinical manager.

With all due respect, do you honestly believe that an LPNs, ADNs, and diploma educated RNs only think about skills?

No. The post I was replying to asserted that extra school was pointless because it did not pertain to clinical skills. My point was: clinical skills do not make the nurse. So, we're on the same page.

Did the science change how I did nursing? No. That was from experience and informal education

Here's where we disagree. You can argue the science does not help the practice of nursing; whereas, I fully believe it does, and not to mention, most healthcare systems do too (BSN's are required where I work). Having a better understanding of the science, critical thinking, and processes may not overtly be seen as beneficial for a nurse, but it does help in the long run.

At the same time, its my experience that it does not make a better nurse. Period.

It does not 'make' you a better nurse/doctor/pharmacist or whatever just to have a higher degree. But it does provide the baseline to become a better professional than those without.

Specializes in LTC.

Around and around we go, again.

Specializes in Cardiac (adult), CC, Peds, MH/Substance.

There's nothing to be confused about. My additional education is for licensing reasons. If you're going into a specialty, I would agree that education makes a major difference, but I don't believe that's been a subject of discussion. For example, a CCRN is probably a better candidate than an RN who's worked in LTC for 10 years, for an ICU. But as with many education discussions in nursing, when you meet a CCRN, you'll see a combination of experience and formal education. Same goes for NPs. I don't know TOO MANY worthless NPs, but I know some. Both hold the same degree.

That's not at all what I said. If you actually read all of my posts you'd see I'm quite pro-education.

I'm saying education does not automatically make you BETTER than someone else. I wasn't, at any point, saying that being a good nurse doesn't require education. I was talking about the "better than you" attitude.

If you want to see who a better nurse is, take two nurses with similar education and experience, and do a study evaluating mortality rates and patient satisfaction.

Anyways, now that this has turned into every other LPN vs RN post, I shall remove myself.

"I'm not interested in competing with anyone. I hope we all make it" - someone somewhere very wise

You are completely right. This is just another "anything you can do I can do better" RN vs LPN debate. I should have seen it coming. I will be giving up following this post too. To the glorious NP that thinks education is everything, experience means a great deal too. I wonder how long you have total years in the field. In order to be a good nurse of course there is more to it than skill, there's plenty of critical thinking. This, however, is more of an inborn talent that one either has or they don't. You cannot teach someone how to think critically. As for the science courses. I've completed all the ones required for a BSN- a 4.0 average.

I'm not sure what you are arguing here. We both agree experience is important, but I feel we differ on the importance of education requirements.

All I'm saying is that I feel RN's should be mandated (and they are in most areas) to have a Bachelor of Science in Nursing degree. I (and healthcare systems) feel this prepares them to perform at a higher level with the advanced degree. If this were not the case, we would still be having diploma nurses. The fact remains that the field of healthcare is progressing fast, and we, as nurses, need to be well educated to keep up with it.